Dublin v Kildare - Match Thread!

[Donnellys Hollow]

What is Kieran McGeeney up to by keeping teams waiting on the pitch after half time? Joe Kernan used to do exactly the same thing.

There might be some merit in the tactic if your team is ahead at half time but if you are trailing surely you should be getting your team out as quickly as possible.

Kieran should give up the mind games. He is more likely to confuse his own team rather than the opposition.

McGeeney buys into a lot of crap.

[Gael85]

On the strength & conditioning issue, what is the background of the Kildare S&C coach? I know Seanie thought so highly of her, he cited her as one of the reasons for going to Kildare.

Given that Dublin moved away from power to their current approach in late 2009, what are Kildare at with their S&C?

I would have thought Dublin just had better footballers but when you spend the kind of money Dublin do on poaching trainers DCU and even lifestyle coaches you might as while try and justify it.

I'd say McGeeney,Jason Ryan&Seanie Johnston weren't cheap

[BartSimpson]

On the strength & conditioning issue, what is the background of the Kildare S&C coach? I know Seanie thought so highly of her, he cited her as one of the reasons for going to Kildare.

Given that Dublin moved away from power to their current approach in late 2009, what are Kildare at with their S&C?

I would have thought Dublin just had better footballers but when you spend the kind of money Dublin do on poaching trainers DCU and even lifestyle coaches you might as while try and justify it.

I'd say McGeeney,Jason Ryan&Seanie Johnston weren't cheap

WAHAAAAAYYYYY!

[heffo]

On the strength & conditioning issue, what is the background of the Kildare S&C coach? I know Seanie thought so highly of her, he cited her as one of the reasons for going to Kildare.

Given that Dublin moved away from power to their current approach in late 2009, what are Kildare at with their S&C?

I would have thought Dublin just had better footballers but when you spend the kind of money Dublin do on poaching trainers DCU and even lifestyle coaches you might as while try and justify it.

Assuming you're referring to Martin Kennedy, he wasn't poached - he was unattached to any management team and had been for the previous three months when approached by Jim Gavin.

Dublin trained in a club pitch up until they won the league final and from then have trained in DCU in the area they fundraised for themselves - not unlike Hawkfield.

Dublin's lifestyle coach, like the rest of the backroom team don't receive a penny above standard mileage rates.

I would have thought the respective S&C was a relevant discussion point, if you don't want to discuss it then don't but don't try to spin it as me having an agenda.

[Ohtoohtobe]

Are you saying Dublin's backroom staff of 18 doesn't cost more than 50c a mile? Come off it.

[screenexile]

On the strength & conditioning issue, what is the background of the Kildare S&C coach? I know Seanie thought so highly of her, he cited her as one of the reasons for going to Kildare.

Given that Dublin moved away from power to their current approach in late 2009, what are Kildare at with their S&C?

Not true. Dublin moved away from power to their current approach this year now that Gavin has come in. The All Ireland team was full of powerful boys. This team is full of footballers who are ridiculously fast.

Don't get me wrong ye always had 5/6 excellent players but now there are very few (if any) weak links in the team.

[heffo]

On the strength & conditioning issue, what is the background of the Kildare S&C coach? I know Seanie thought so highly of her, he cited her as one of the reasons for going to Kildare.

Given that Dublin moved away from power to their current approach in late 2009, what are Kildare at with their S&C?

Not true. Dublin moved away from power to their current approach this year now that Gavin has come in. The All Ireland team was full of powerful boys. This team is full of footballers who are ridiculously fast.

Really? I have the workout program from winter 2009 & 2010 in my desk here, I think you're wrong..

[Dinny Breen]

Surely a winter program is initially about preparatory and then moves into hypertrophy? I would find it unusual if they were doing speed and power in the winter.

[Zulu]

I don't think you can talk about a teams S&C in such broad terms. Every teams S&C would be a mixture of many training blocks, just like their cardio wouldn't be all 5-10m speed work in January their S&C wouldn't be the same in January as it is in June. Nor should it be the same for every player, though it's difficult to individualise for 30 lads in an amateur setting, I would imagine John Doyle's S&C would be different from Sean Hurley's and Jack McCaffrey's would be different from Brian Cullen's.

Dublin's game has little to do with their S&C approach and more to do with the type of footballer they have now, many of their players haven't been in the set up long enough for Kennedy's approach to things to have any real effect.

[screenexile]

I don't think you can talk about a teams S&C in such broad terms. Every teams S&C would be a mixture of many training blocks, just like their cardio wouldn't be all 5-10m speed work in January their S&C wouldn't be the same in January as it is in June. Nor should it be the same for every player, though it's difficult to individualise for 30 lads in an amateur setting, I would imagine John Doyle's S&C would be different from Sean Hurley's and Jack McCaffrey's would be different from Brian Cullen's.

Dublin's game has little to do with their S&C approach and more to do with the type of footballer they have now, many of their players haven't been in the set up long enough for Kennedy's approach to things to have any real effect.

Fair call. I wasn't necessarily referring to the S&C training more the size of the team. No doubt the Dubs of 2011 were a bigger team than the Dubs now. Fennell, Cullen, Cahill, Bastick were all big lads but their footballing ability wouldn't be as good as the current crop.

[Jinxy]

On the strength & conditioning issue, what is the background of the Kildare S&C coach? I know Seanie thought so highly of her, he cited her as one of the reasons for going to Kildare.

Given that Dublin moved away from power to their current approach in late 2009, what are Kildare at with their S&C?

Not true. Dublin moved away from power to their current approach this year now that Gavin has come in. The All Ireland team was full of powerful boys. This team is full of footballers who are ridiculously fast.

Don't get me wrong ye always had 5/6 excellent players but now there are very few (if any) weak links in the team.

Moved away from power?
Are you confusing power with strength because this Dublin team are exceptionally powerful.

[screenexile]

On the strength & conditioning issue, what is the background of the Kildare S&C coach? I know Seanie thought so highly of her, he cited her as one of the reasons for going to Kildare.

Given that Dublin moved away from power to their current approach in late 2009, what are Kildare at with their S&C?

Not true. Dublin moved away from power to their current approach this year now that Gavin has come in. The All Ireland team was full of powerful boys. This team is full of footballers who are ridiculously fast.

Don't get me wrong ye always had 5/6 excellent players but now there are very few (if any) weak links in the team.

Moved away from power?
Are you confusing power with strength because this Dublin team are exceptionally powerful.

Strength/Size yes. All these buzzwords get confusing 

[Hardy]

Lifestyle coach. Holy God.

[Dont Matter]

Why criticise Dublin for a lifestyle coach? We all know what a regular Dubs lifestyle is like, so it's only right that they have assistance in staying off that stuff.

[Jinxy]

On the strength & conditioning issue, what is the background of the Kildare S&C coach? I know Seanie thought so highly of her, he cited her as one of the reasons for going to Kildare.

Given that Dublin moved away from power to their current approach in late 2009, what are Kildare at with their S&C?

Not true. Dublin moved away from power to their current approach this year now that Gavin has come in. The All Ireland team was full of powerful boys. This team is full of footballers who are ridiculously fast.

Don't get me wrong ye always had 5/6 excellent players but now there are very few (if any) weak links in the team.

Moved away from power?
Are you confusing power with strength because this Dublin team are exceptionally powerful.

Strength/Size yes. All these buzzwords get confusing 

Kildare are strong.
Dublin are powerful.
That'll help you remember the difference.