Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[APM]

Disgraceful scenes in the tunnel. Harte has cultivated this indiscipline and thuggery in the squad.

Hoping for more storms in July and August. Otherwise we're fucked.

Catch yourself on, not the biggest fan on how Tyrone are operating and being operated at the minute, but that brought the team up a few levels for me.. That was nothing to do with Mickey, don't give him that credit. Sheer ignorance from a few of our boys started that and in my head put the fear in the Dubs for the second half

Dublin weren't interested and probably thought the match was going to be called off.  Tyrone went at them like demons, because they knew the weather gave them a great opportunity to take a scalp and get two points.  This game might mean Tyrone will stay up (it might not), but it will mean nothing coming championship. 

[Theshooter]

I also thought Coney was very good when he came in last night, got on a lot of ball, was very composed and spread the play well.

Yes, the whole way over the sideline one time too

[Angelo]

I also thought Coney was very good when he came in last night, got on a lot of ball, was very composed and spread the play well.

Yes, the whole way over the sideline one time too

I wouldn't get too caught up on about one slightly overhit long range pass on a stormy night. It was actually Coney who won the turnover that led to the goal.

The absolute bitchiness from some of you guys is off the charts, I pity your husbands when they come home in the evening.

[Angelo]

Disgraceful scenes in the tunnel. Harte has cultivated this indiscipline and thuggery in the squad.

Hoping for more storms in July and August. Otherwise we're fucked.

Catch yourself on, not the biggest fan on how Tyrone are operating and being operated at the minute, but that brought the team up a few levels for me.. That was nothing to do with Mickey, don't give him that credit. Sheer ignorance from a few of our boys started that and in my head put the fear in the Dubs for the second half

Dublin weren't interested and probably thought the match was going to be called off.  Tyrone went at them like demons, because they knew the weather gave them a great opportunity to take a scalp and get two points.  This game might mean Tyrone will stay up (it might not), but it will mean nothing coming championship.

It's very noteworthy how people from the likes of Derry, Down and Armagh always feel the need to come into Tyrone threads and comment on Tyrone matters.

It's almost as if they've stopped being relevant at the top table and their main interest in intercounty football at the late summer months is putting pins in their Tyrone voodoo doll.

[RedHand88]

I also thought Coney was very good when he came in last night, got on a lot of ball, was very composed and spread the play well.

Yes, the whole way over the sideline one time too

You'd have done better yourself in the middle of a storm on a wet night, eh?

[Angelo]

How do we rate the u20s chances at the weekend?

They seem to have made hard work already of their two games so far and don't seem to have pushed on as much as I'd have expected them to.

We seem to be down a good few players from what you'd imagine would be our best bunch at this age level, I know there was references made to some disciplinary issues with a few players but whether it be discipline or injury you have guys like Conroy and Hayes unavailable who would give that attack a serious boost. Murnaghan also missed the Antrim game as well, I noted that he was named at 14 in the Armagh game, was he actually playing there or just named there - bit strange for a guy who is more of a wing back or middle third player.

There's also none of last year's minor team involved and this has been more or less the same for the last few years since u20 came in? I would have thought the likes of young McGleenan and Devlin would certainly be involved as they really stood out for the minors last year and there's no doubting McGleenan is physically ready for it. Are they involved with their schools or something?

[square_ball]

McGleenon was playing for St Pats Armagh who were only beat in the semi final last week and Mark Devlin was playing for Holy Trinity who were beat in the quarters 2 weeks ago. Isn't there a rule where they can't be involved in the U20s?

[Angelo]

McGleenon was playing for St Pats Armagh who were only beat in the semi final last week and Mark Devlin was playing for Holy Trinity who were beat in the quarters 2 weeks ago. Isn't there a rule where they can't be involved in the U20s?

Not that I'm aware as I think both are overage for minor (u17) now but I'm open to correction? Is it just an internal policy whereby players who are just out of minor aren't picked until the following year?

The u17 and u20 grades are a joke in fairness. That extra year at u21 level would be so much more beneficial for a player trying to establish himself at senior level and it does far more to retain lads playing the game.

[square_ball]

I was nearly sure I'd heard about a conflict between schools and counties a few months back. Tyrone mustn't have wanted or needed an exemption to play lads that are involved in school competitions. Must be why those you named haven't been involved as yet.

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2020/01/22/news/ulster-schools-react-angrily-to-gaa-relaxing-u20-eligibility-rules-1820645/

ULSTER Schools have reacted angrily to the GAA's decision to allow counties leeway on a rule to give schools priority on players ahead of inter-county U20 squads, which could lead to a potential clash for players on St Patrick's Day.

The GAA had imposed a rule in November that "players involved in the 'A' and 'B' post-primary football championships are ineligible to play for their county team until such time as their school has been eliminated from its own championship".

However, following an original representation from Fermanagh claiming that they could not field an U20 team without their 13 school-tied players, the GAA granted an exemption and permitted other counties to apply for the same.

"As a result, 17 counties applied for, and have been granted, that exemption, and other counties have been told that they can apply this week," Ulster Schools' secretary Seamus Woods told schools in an email on Monday night.

[Goals_Will_Come]

McGleenon was playing for St Pats Armagh who were only beat in the semi final last week and Mark Devlin was playing for Holy Trinity who were beat in the quarters 2 weeks ago. Isn't there a rule where they can't be involved in the U20s?

Not that I'm aware as I think both are overage for minor (u17) now but I'm open to correction? Is it just an internal policy whereby players who are just out of minor aren't picked until the following year?

The u17 and u20 grades are a joke in fairness. That extra year at u21 level would be so much more beneficial for a player trying to establish himself at senior level and it does far more to retain lads playing the game.

Think there was an issue with the CBS players, Oran Grimes (on the panel last year) and Daniel Fullerton were let go off the panel to play with their school. That could also be the case with some Holy Trinity and Academy players.

[GlenMan]

McGleenon was playing for St Pats Armagh who were only beat in the semi final last week and Mark Devlin was playing for Holy Trinity who were beat in the quarters 2 weeks ago. Isn't there a rule where they can't be involved in the U20s?

Not that I'm aware as I think both are overage for minor (u17) now but I'm open to correction? Is it just an internal policy whereby players who are just out of minor aren't picked until the following year?

The u17 and u20 grades are a joke in fairness. That extra year at u21 level would be so much more beneficial for a player trying to establish himself at senior level and it does far more to retain lads playing the game.

Think there was an issue with the CBS players, Oran Grimes (on the panel last year) and Daniel Fullerton were let go off the panel to play with their school. That could also be the case with some Holy Trinity and Academy players.

The Schools/U20 clash seems to have been a complete balls up. Players being forced to drop off to play for their Schools. Although Tarlach Quinn remained on the panel (came on against Antrim) even though he played for Holy Trinity in the MacRory.

[toby47]

McGleenon was playing for St Pats Armagh who were only beat in the semi final last week and Mark Devlin was playing for Holy Trinity who were beat in the quarters 2 weeks ago. Isn't there a rule where they can't be involved in the U20s?

Not that I'm aware as I think both are overage for minor (u17) now but I'm open to correction? Is it just an internal policy whereby players who are just out of minor aren't picked until the following year?

The u17 and u20 grades are a joke in fairness. That extra year at u21 level would be so much more beneficial for a player trying to establish himself at senior level and it does far more to retain lads playing the game.

Think there was an issue with the CBS players, Oran Grimes (on the panel last year) and Daniel Fullerton were let go off the panel to play with their school. That could also be the case with some Holy Trinity and Academy players.

The Schools/U20 clash seems to have been a complete balls up. Players being forced to drop off to play for their Schools. Although Tarlach Quinn remained on the panel (came on against Antrim) even though he played for Holy Trinity in the MacRory.

Can't play for your county u20's until your school football is over. So basically if a MacRory team was beat & knocked out of the competition, the players are available to play for their county u20's the next day.

Complete balls of a rule

[GlenMan]

McGleenon was playing for St Pats Armagh who were only beat in the semi final last week and Mark Devlin was playing for Holy Trinity who were beat in the quarters 2 weeks ago. Isn't there a rule where they can't be involved in the U20s?

Not that I'm aware as I think both are overage for minor (u17) now but I'm open to correction? Is it just an internal policy whereby players who are just out of minor aren't picked until the following year?

The u17 and u20 grades are a joke in fairness. That extra year at u21 level would be so much more beneficial for a player trying to establish himself at senior level and it does far more to retain lads playing the game.

Think there was an issue with the CBS players, Oran Grimes (on the panel last year) and Daniel Fullerton were let go off the panel to play with their school. That could also be the case with some Holy Trinity and Academy players.

The Schools/U20 clash seems to have been a complete balls up. Players being forced to drop off to play for their Schools. Although Tarlach Quinn remained on the panel (came on against Antrim) even though he played for Holy Trinity in the MacRory.

Can't play for your county u20's until your school football is over. So basically if a MacRory team was beat & knocked out of the competition, the players are available to play for their county u20's the next day.

Complete balls of a rule

No I know that. Just wondering why, for example, Oran Grimes had to drop off the panel while Tarlach Quinn didn't. Both Schools exited the MacRory at the Quarter Final stage.

[The_Slug]

Player burnout has been put forward as a massive issue in the GAA but being honest, when you're that age you're able to play for a number of teams at once, the body can handle it and you just want to play as much football as possible.. but I could be very wrong here because the games has changed quite a lot since my younger days

[GetOverTheBar]

Player burnout has been put forward as a massive issue in the GAA but being honest, when you're that age you're able to play for a number of teams at once, the body can handle it and you just want to play as much football as possible.. but I could be very wrong here because the games has changed quite a lot since my younger days

There is a misconception regarding burn out. It's not so much the games from a young age. Youth football is less stressful on the body by its very nature, now that's not to say it doesn't contribute - it's not ideal, but they are well capable of handling it - the body at that age is a remarkable regenerative machine.

The real problem comes with every manger on every team making these players train the same night after playing a school game that day or vice versa. Now if it's just shooting or basics, fine - it's still not ideal nor near it, but it's not overly stressful. The problem is they usually make them do the long, outdated running so they do what the rest of the team does, that is the road to ruin and I'm sure something that will resonate with fellas in and around my own age.....old enough to remember when it wasn't a big deal.....young enough to still be playing taking longer to loosen up.

We need to educate our youth managers better - sometimes at clubs it's just whoever will take the job, which of course is a nonsense but I know in my own club there isn't exactly a queue to do it either so what do we do? They don't really buy into new training techniques so fill up the training by mindless running, running breaks the body down.