Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[trileacman]

Away from the pro/anti Harte hysteria I still think we lack a top class forward who can shake up a game come championship time in the mould of McManus, O'Callaghan, Tomer...

Indeed, it's f**king tiresome. Top class forwards are like hens teeth though. Comer is yet to really prove in championship white heat so I couldn't add him in that company yet. Even Con has top class supply so I couldn't put him in that match-winner bracket. IMO the real top class forwards in the game are:

McBearty
COC
Moran
Geaney
McBearty

The sub-group consists of inside forwards who are talented but who I haven't seen turn a top-level championship for their team:

Con
Comer

[longballin]

Away from the pro/anti Harte hysteria I still think we lack a top class forward who can shake up a game come championship time in the mould of McManus, O'Callaghan, Tomer...

Indeed, it's f**king tiresome. Top class forwards are like hens teeth though. Comer is yet to really prove in championship white heat so I couldn't add him in that company yet. Even Con has top class supply so I couldn't put him in that match-winner bracket. IMO the real top class forwards in the game are:

McBearty
COC
Moran
Geaney
McBearty

The sub-group consists of inside forwards who are talented but who I haven't seen turn a top-level championship for their team:

Con
Comer

You've had some night! You list McBrearty twice,  put 'Con' in a sub-group and 'COC' as a top class forward. Is Con and COC one and the same person or are we playing a game of snap? 

[blewuporstuffed]

Cillian O'connor?

[Club boi]

another good win today and seems the players have finally said to themselves, 'f**k you harte, we are gonna play football how we like no matter what u say'. its very refreshing. imagine how good tyrone could be with a top manager.

Ach wise up, I am still on your side with "MH Out" but credit were its due, they have played well and won big games. Been saying for years Lee Brennan top class

[WT4E]

another good win today and seems the players have finally said to themselves, 'f**k you harte, we are gonna play football how we like no matter what u say'. its very refreshing. imagine how good tyrone could be with a top manager.

Ach wise up, I am still on your side with "MH Out" but credit were its due, they have played well and won big games. Been saying for years Lee Brennan top class

Agree with Club Boi - I hold the opinion that Tyrone probably need a manager change but STG is making a mockery of the people who have a reasonable argument to why a change would be good. Would sicken you listening to him whether you want MH to stay or go.

Monaghan now a big big game as I'm pleasantly surprised by the league campaign. If we beat Monaghan we could be on track.

[Fuzzman]

It never ceases to amaze me how other keep taking posters like STG seriously and that Armagh p***k who's name escapes me now cos I ignore him so much yet still replying to them hoping to make a valid argument.
There are plenty of us with valid reasons for Harte to go but he's like the rest of us, human and although it's rare he can perhaps change.
Stubborn v singlemindedness

It's like when you make a first impression if someone. You then spend the rest of your time convincing yourself you were right and can't see the truth

[southtyronegael]

Yes my earlier post was a bit of a wind-up and it looks like it worked. But for people to be giving Harte credit for finally playing the players we wanted and playing the football we wanted is actually a bigger windup. Credit due to the players. Def an all Ireland in them.

[Tyrone Gaa]

Yes my earlier post was a bit of a wind-up and it looks like it worked. But for people to be giving Harte credit for finally playing the players we wanted and playing the football we wanted is actually a bigger windup. Credit due to the players. Def an all Ireland in them.

Lets call a spade a spade, the team was announced for the Kerry game and there was uproar at the amount of changes made from the Mayo result.  You only have to go back a few pages to see that.  Like Club Boi and others I am still in the Harte out camp but have accepted this forum wont change that.  We have to support the team for the rest of the term and when the time comes to discuss new management put forward the case to the club officers or better still if you know anyone on the county board. 

A positive I would draw from the recent results is Tyrone have shown it is possible to cope without Colm Cavanagh.  When he missed the 1st few games Tyrone looked lost.  However he was black carded early vs Mayo and didn't feature against Kerry and Tyrone played well.  Maybe that has something to do with the approach game as well??

[omagh_gael]

I am delighted with how the league has finished up. It really sets up for great game against Monaghan in the Championship!

Not much to take away from yesterday's game as there wasn't a whole pile of intensity to it. However, I have to say Frank Burns looks like the real deal. The man is as strong as an ox and a couple of Kerry men bounced off him when trying to break his tackle. He hassled, tackled, broke ball and supported the attack in phenomenal fashion yesterday.

Peter Harte was also involved everywhere, he never gives up. Would love to get stats on assists like they do in soccer, Petey would be bringing up huge numbers.

Overall positives from the league for me:

- Lee Brennan stepping up to the plate
- Petey Harte and Matty Donnelly finding a serious vein of form towards end of the league
- Frank Burns at #6
- Defence holding very tight without Colm Cavanagh
- Proper competition across almost all lines (apart from FF line)

Still think we're short of a 6ft plus marquee forward to give us that alternative ball into FF line but looks like we're shaping up quite well for the Championship.

[bigpackiechestout]

Contrary to all the Harte bashing on here I am going to say that he deserves a lot of credit for the way he has brought through our All-Ireland winning under 21 team from 2015. I've listed the starting team from that final below.

Tyrone: S Fox; R Mullan, P Hampsey, C McLaughlin; M Cassidy (0-1), R Brennan, K McGeary (capt); C McShane (1-0), F Burns; M Kavanagh (0-2), C Meyler (0-1), M Walsh; L Brennan (0-2, two frees), D McNulty (0-3, three frees), M Bradley (0-2).

The only lads not to have played any senior county football are Mark Kavanagh (I actually thought he would have been called up this year) and Matthew Walsh.

Of the other lads not currently on the panel...
Sean Fox - played a couple of league games a couple of years ago when the other keepers were injured
Mullan - dropped off the panel early last year
McNulty - dropped off the panel a few years ago after an injury

That leaves 10 lads from that starting 15 that are currently on the senior panel, with the likes of Hampsey, Burns, McShane, Meyler, McGeary, Lee Brennan and Bradley looking like key players for us this year and will hopefully make up the spine of the team for years to come. This is an unbelievable return from one underage team and I think Harte deserves credit for giving them gametime at the right time in order to aide their development.

Conversely, the difficulty of nurturing an under 21 team through to senior level can be seen in Mayo at the moment. They won the under 21s in 2016, the year after us, have been crying out for fresh blood since due to some of their senior players getting older and having serious miles on the clock. Yet Diarmuid O'Connor has been the only man to come through from that team and consistently start in the championship to date, and even his form has waned over the past year and a half.

[Goals_Will_Come]

I am delighted with how the league has finished up. It really sets up for great game against Monaghan in the Championship!

Not much to take away from yesterday's game as there wasn't a whole pile of intensity to it. However, I have to say Frank Burns looks like the real deal. The man is as strong as an ox and a couple of Kerry men bounced off him when trying to break his tackle. He hassled, tackled, broke ball and supported the attack in phenomenal fashion yesterday.

Peter Harte was also involved everywhere, he never gives up. Would love to get stats on assists like they do in soccer, Petey would be bringing up huge numbers.

Overall positives from the league for me:

- Lee Brennan stepping up to the plate
- Petey Harte and Matty Donnelly finding a serious vein of form towards end of the league
- Frank Burns at #6
- Defence holding very tight without Colm Cavanagh
- Proper competition across almost all lines (apart from FF line)

Still think we're short of a 6ft plus marquee forward to give us that alternative ball into FF line but looks like we're shaping up quite well for the Championship.

I agree with all those things. Major positives to be taken from that. Although there is still a few lingering issues.
Tiernan McCanns role. Had a great year last year but question marks over his defensive ability and the fact Tyrone seem more balanced now in his absence.
Mark Bradleys best position. Does he play in the corner or at 11.
Is there any danger of returning to the status quo of Aidan McCrory playing in the corner over Hugh Pat or McKernan.
Where does McNammee play now Harte seems to have settled on Hampsey in the full back line? Full back, corner back, at all?
Who plays beside Colm Cavanagh in the middle? Conall McCann Declan McClure Mattie?

[southtyronegael]

1.morgan
2.mc kernan
3.hampsey
4.h p mc geary
5.meyler
6.f burns
7.k mc geary
8.c cavanagh
9.mc clure
10.harte
11.sludden
12.m donnelly
13.l brennan
14.mc shane
15.bradley
there you go lads. book the citywest for september.

[omagh_gael]

Morgan
McCarron
Hampsey
McGeary
McCann
Burns
Meyler
McNulty
Colm
Harte
Sludden
Mattie
Brennan
mcAliskey
Bradley

[southtyronegael]

what have u seen so far omaghgael that would have mc aliskey ahead of mc shane?

[redhandefender]

I am delighted with how the league has finished up. It really sets up for great game against Monaghan in the Championship!

Not much to take away from yesterday's game as there wasn't a whole pile of intensity to it. However, I have to say Frank Burns looks like the real deal. The man is as strong as an ox and a couple of Kerry men bounced off him when trying to break his tackle. He hassled, tackled, broke ball and supported the attack in phenomenal fashion yesterday.

Peter Harte was also involved everywhere, he never gives up. Would love to get stats on assists like they do in soccer, Petey would be bringing up huge numbers.

Overall positives from the league for me:

- Lee Brennan stepping up to the plate
- Petey Harte and Matty Donnelly finding a serious vein of form towards end of the league
- Frank Burns at #6
- Defence holding very tight without Colm Cavanagh
- Proper competition across almost all lines (apart from FF line)

Still think we're short of a 6ft plus marquee forward to give us that alternative ball into FF line but looks like we're shaping up quite well for the Championship.

I agree with all those things. Major positives to be taken from that. Although there is still a few lingering issues.
Tiernan McCanns role. Had a great year last year but question marks over his defensive ability and the fact Tyrone seem more balanced now in his absence.
Mark Bradleys best position. Does he play in the corner or at 11.
Is there any danger of returning to the status quo of Aidan McCrory playing in the corner over Hugh Pat or McKernan.
Where does McNammee play now Harte seems to have settled on Hampsey in the full back line? Full back, corner back, at all?
Who plays beside Colm Cavanagh in the middle? Conall McCann Declan McClure Mattie?

The team seem more balanced without tiernan mc cann based on what? Them winning the last 3 games without him lol? Don't see that myself. I wasn't a fan of mc cann before last year but he is a major asset, once he starts motoring teams don't know what to do with him