Tyrone County Football and Hurling

Started by Fear ón Srath Bán, April 01, 2007, 05:58:31 PM

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Il Bomber Destro

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Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Moran/McBrearty and COC.

interesting

Can I ask why you picked those players? Any reason?

I picked those as I wondered who people thought were the best inside forwards playing at the minute. Probably could have included James O Donoghue and Bernard Brogan also. I think Mark Bradley is better than Andy Moran, Cillian O Connor and Dean Rock, but thats just my opinion

you're kidding?

not at all

when he proves himself at the highest level. In Ulster championship against Slaughtneil and in Croke Park for Tyrone has strugled.
You continually criticise the way Tyrone play saying that they give good forwards no chance then you criticise Mark Bradley for struggling against 3 defenders in croke park

Fair point so how can you put him above those other players who have performed in Croke Park based on his performances in Tyrone club football?
Yep you're right it's a leap of faith. I just think his pace and work ethic along with his obvious ability makes him a really good forward....

if he ever gets a bit of support

Bradley is a very talented player but too small unfortunately.

Il Bomber Destro

We had 8 players in action on Wednesday, I think they all played the full match so I think we mindful of that with our selection.

I'd go with the following:

1. O'Neill
2. HP McGeary
3. Hampsey
4. Cassidy
5. T McCann
6. McNamee
7. Harte
8. McClure
9. M Donnelly
10. R Donnelly
11. Sludden
12. Meyler
13. Bradley
14. McHugh
15. McAliskey

Norf Tyrone

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Serious question. Should MH be allowed to continue forever? Its 10 years since he last won a big game. Would this happen in any other county?

Noveau riche fans - Ulster Finals aren't big games anymore.

Probably a better way of phrasing the question. When was the last time Tyrone won a game where they entered it as 2nd favourites.

I get the point you're making though. However it's important, in my opinion, that Tyrone see themselves as a 'big team' and aim accordingly. Kerry and Dublin celebrate provincial titles with a shrug. I wouldn't want Tyrone being as blase, as provincial titles should be cherished. However at the same time it has to be a minimum aim every season.

When you invest £6 million on a training complex there must be some improvement generated by that complex. Not all of this is measurable I understand. However we are not producing better players than we were 10 years ago. Indeed there's an argument that we are producing better athletes but not better players and that's detrimental.

Personally I find the football in the main part hard to watch. However IF you are performing at a really high level I can stomach that. When you're not....

On a different point. Have Tyrone moved away from releasing their weekend teams now from Thursday evenings?
Owen Roe O'Neills GAC, Leckpatrick, Tyrone

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 02, 2018, 08:44:02 AM
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Serious question. Should MH be allowed to continue forever? Its 10 years since he last won a big game. Would this happen in any other county?

Noveau riche fans - Ulster Finals aren't big games anymore.

Probably a better way of phrasing the question. When was the last time Tyrone won a game where they entered it as 2nd favourites.

I get the point you're making though. However it's important, in my opinion, that Tyrone see themselves as a 'big team' and aim accordingly. Kerry and Dublin celebrate provincial titles with a shrug. I wouldn't want Tyrone being as blase, as provincial titles should be cherished. However at the same time it has to be a minimum aim every season.

When you invest £6 million on a training complex there must be some improvement generated by that complex. Not all of this is measurable I understand. However we are not producing better players than we were 10 years ago. Indeed there's an argument that we are producing better athletes but not better players and that's detrimental.

Personally I find the football in the main part hard to watch. However IF you are performing at a really high level I can stomach that. When you're not....

On a different point. Have Tyrone moved away from releasing their weekend teams now from Thursday evenings?

We were bookies outsiders against Monaghan in 2015.

Can't remember if we were favourties against Donegal in 2016 either.

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 02, 2018, 08:44:02 AM
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Quote from: reddgnhand on January 30, 2018, 04:12:50 PM
Serious question. Should MH be allowed to continue forever? Its 10 years since he last won a big game. Would this happen in any other county?

Noveau riche fans - Ulster Finals aren't big games anymore.


When you invest £6 million on a training complex there must be some improvement generated by that complex. Not all of this is measurable I understand. However we are not producing better players than we were 10 years ago. Indeed there's an argument that we are producing better athletes but not better players and that's detrimental.


Don't agree with this.

I think the players we are currently producing are nearly as skilled as they were 10 years ago. The game has now changed, the game is all about mobility, athleticism, speed and size. Unfortunately we have too many good footballers who don't match up in the athleticism and size game. You look at the lads who people cry out for to be allowed play football - O'Neill, Brennan, McCurry etc - they're lacking in those aspects and the modern game does not suit them like it would have 10 years ago.

A lot of these lads look blown up to me trying to adapt their natural game in order to try and succeed in the modern game but I don't think it will work.

You look at someone like Michael Darragh MacAuley, a guy who is a fantastic athlete and physical presence but doesn't really resemble a footballer at times - he's a 5 time All Ireland winner now and a former footballer of the year. Every player on that Dublin team has speed, size and power, they can play football too but if you still have last year's match programme then have a look at the player profiles. They are on average nearly a stone and a couple of inches talker than the Tyrone team. Further to that we have lost two real experienced physical presences this year in Justy and Sean Cavanagh.

southtyronegael

#6095
Maybe mickey should go and bring back all the 6 footers he has fell out with like Conan grugan,shea mc guigan,mc nulty,Niall mc Kenna, coney

RedHand88

Quote from: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 11:21:07 AM
Maybe mickey should go and bring back all the 6 footers he has fell out with like Conan grugan,she's nc guigan,mc nulty,Niall mc Kenna, coney

Coney walked because he didn't get starting a McKenna cup (?) game. Is that someone you want? Also which mcnulty are you on about? Padraig who started in midfield last Sunday???

southtyronegael


redhandofgod

Quote from: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 11:39:13 AM
Dan mc nulty clonoe

Saw him in 3 tyrone championship games last year against dromore, and 2 x pomeroy! he's not anywhere near close to senior county standard.

Knock Yer Mucker In

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Quote from: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 11:39:13 AM
Dan mc nulty clonoe

Saw him in 3 tyrone championship games last year against dromore, and 2 x pomeroy! he's not anywhere near close to senior county standard.

Maybe it was because he played the entire championship with a back injury and also a damaged hernia, infact he did amazingly well to have played, stilled pulled out a draw for us against Pomeroy even tho he was crippled. Had to be literally carried off the field after the Dromore match.
local expert is as sick as a dog, ate to many mc dollars

Ty4Sam

Quote from: redhandofgod on February 02, 2018, 12:50:34 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 11:39:13 AM
Dan mc nulty clonoe

Saw him in 3 tyrone championship games last year against dromore, and 2 x pomeroy! he's not anywhere near close to senior county standard.

Got to agree...no where near that level anytime I've seen him.

southtyronegael

I'm not sayin mc nulty is the answer just he is one of a number of bigger physical lads with football in they given the chance and the right coaching could do a job for Tyrone. Mickey abandoned them all.

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 11:21:07 AM
Maybe mickey should go and bring back all the 6 footers he has fell out with like Conan grugan,shea mc guigan,mc nulty,Niall mc Kenna, coney

Grugan and Coney the only ones of that bunch who I would think may have something to offer.

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 02:32:44 PM
I'm not sayin mc nulty is the answer just he is one of a number of bigger physical lads with football in they given the chance and the right coaching could do a job for Tyrone. Mickey abandoned them all.

He's not mobile enough. You have to tick all boxes at the highest level - size, power, speed, mobility and a bit of ability.

longballin

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 02:52:51 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 02:32:44 PM
I'm not sayin mc nulty is the answer just he is one of a number of bigger physical lads with football in they given the chance and the right coaching could do a job for Tyrone. Mickey abandoned them all.

He's not mobile enough. You have to tick all boxes at the highest level - size, power, speed, mobility and a bit of ability.

that rules out a few in the squad!