Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[skeog]

They didnt increase his tenure as they felt no need for it.Mickey be given new tenure very soon.

[Redhand Santa]

Putting personal opinion on the matter aside for a moment what do you all think the county board will do regards micky staying on next year?

Surely not increasing his stay last year and the manner of the demolition last week will only make their decision easier no?

We haven't achieved back to back ulster titles too many times and I'm sure there was plenty of other years the ulster championship wasn't of the highest standard. We won the rest of the games before Sunday by 9 points plus. If you look back at the pre Harte years our record wasn't exactly brilliant. We got beat by one of the best and financially prepared teams ever last week. No one is happy with the tactics and would like to see a change but I'm not convinced a new manager will bring any more success.

[Scoring Zone]

Putting personal opinion on the matter aside for a moment what do you all think the county board will do regards micky staying on next year?

Surely not increasing his stay last year and the manner of the demolition last week will only make their decision easier no?

We haven't achieved back to back ulster titles too many times and I'm sure there was plenty of other years the ulster championship wasn't of the highest standard. We won the rest of the games before Sunday by 9 points plus. If you look back at the pre Harte years our record wasn't exactly brilliant. We got beat by one of the best and financially prepared teams ever last week. No one is happy with the tactics and would like to see a change but I'm not convinced a new manager will bring any more success.

The lack of aggression and physicality in the first 15 killed tyrone, you can't send a statement of walking away from the parade without backing it up. Dublin didn't miss from difficult positions which will be difficult to replicate, there wide count was very small (it flashed 9-2 on the big screen in the 2nd half I think),and the turnovers in the tackle were criminal.

But the second half subs all made huge input in terms of energy and impact McMenamin, O'Gara, Flynn vs O'Neill, McCurry and McClure, with MD McCauley and Bernard Brogan not getting game time, no other team in the country has that sort of bench so lads, its a good tyrone team unfortunately there is a brilliant team ahead of them for a while so ye just have to accept it and not completely hang a very committed group on one result.

[redhandefender]

Redhanddefender, I'll echo GoldenYear's question, what level have you played to that leaves you the Oracle of football tactics? Furthermore, what way would you have set out our stall on Sunday? Easy being the problems guy instead of firing up alternative suggestions.

I kicked a ball which is probably a damn side more than you!

Such a crowd of hysterical weemen waiting in the wings for a slip up.

I would have lined out the exact same way the last day, the way that got us through ulster. Mickey will be looking at it more than anyone.

He will get an extension for countless reasons and yous will all still be yappin this time next year

[GlenMan]

Putting personal opinion on the matter aside for a moment what do you all think the county board will do regards micky staying on next year?

Surely not increasing his stay last year and the manner of the demolition last week will only make their decision easier no?

Mickey will be given a new contract within the next month. To be discussed at next week's County Committee meeting.

[southtyronegael]

Putting personal opinion on the matter aside for a moment what do you all think the county board will do regards micky staying on next year?

Surely not increasing his stay last year and the manner of the demolition last week will only make their decision easier no?

Mickey will be given a new contract within the next month. To be discussed at next week's County Committee meeting.

bullshit. he is gone. if he gets back in there will be war in every village and town in tyrone.

[BennyHarp]

Putting personal opinion on the matter aside for a moment what do you all think the county board will do regards micky staying on next year?

Surely not increasing his stay last year and the manner of the demolition last week will only make their decision easier no?

Mickey will be given a new contract within the next month. To be discussed at next week's County Committee meeting.

bullshit. he is gone. if he gets back in there will be war in every village and town in tyrone.

There won't.

[BennyHarp]

Putting personal opinion on the matter aside for a moment what do you all think the county board will do regards micky staying on next year?

Surely not increasing his stay last year and the manner of the demolition last week will only make their decision easier no?

Mickey will be given a new contract within the next month. To be discussed at next week's County Committee meeting.

bullshit. he is gone. if he gets back in there will be war in every village and town in tyrone.

There won't.
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He will get back in and in time blame the players for Sunday. Also will hype up going for three-in-a-row Ulster titles as an All Ireland title is miles beyond where Tyrone are at. He did a great job 2003 to 2008 but now so far behind other top coaches...

When has he ever blamed the players for defeats?

[southtyronegael]

from what ive heard out and about there are very few people who want harte back. if what im hearing is replicated throughout the other clubs then i honestly dont know how he could get enough delegates to keep him in a job. alot of angry people in the county at the moment.

[GlenMan]

from what ive heard out and about there are very few people who want harte back. if what im hearing is replicated throughout the other clubs then i honestly dont know how he could get enough delegates to keep him in a job. alot of angry people in the county at the moment.

Who do you want to replace him? Genuine question as it will be Club's that nominate any successor.

[southtyronegael]

well from what i hear from the monaghan camp is that malachy o rourke may not be with them next year so he has to be high up the list. i still think mattie mc gleenan could be worth a punt, mayo took a punt on rochford with no county experience and its worked well for them. canavan, logan ,dooher would have to be in the running at some stage but wont happen if mickey leaves badly. paddy tally could come back in some shape or form. why not even link up mc gleenan with paddy tally? or o rourke/ tally?

[tyroneStatto]

There needs to be a change but definitely not McGleenan. The problem is that there aren't a lot of viable candidates to choose from. 

[BennyHarp]

There needs to be a change but definitely not McGleenan. The problem is that there aren't a lot of viable candidates to choose from.

I agree and that's the issue I have with the "Mickey out" brigade. If there was an outstanding candidate waiting in the wings I think I'd be more comfortable with Mickey stepping aside. I just worry that a wrong choice would send us spiraling into Armagh and Derry territory. Personally I'd quite like to keep Mickey with Peter alongside. I think Peter would be a big enough character to influence a very stubborn Mickey. Plus he'd be an inspirational personality to have around. I also think Peter could do with Mickey's experience and steady hand with a view to future progression.

[sam03/05]

How do you get rid of a man that has just won back to back Ulster titles and kept us playing Div 1 football. A lot of people in Tyrone are spoilt brats on the back of success that was delivered by Harte himself. 
They should be careful for what they wish for - just look around
Derry - no Ulster senior title in 20 years. Armagh no Ulster title this decade - both playing in Div 3. Down pretty much the same. Don't think the same thing can't happen to Tyrone - who could have predicted for example Derry not to win an Ulster title for 20 years in the late 1990s

Now if Mickey had us playing in Div 3 with no prospects in Ulster then I would be calling for him to go.
If a manager in any other Ulster county had just won back to back Ulster titles and delivered Div 1 status he would be hailed as some sort of Messiah.
The problem that we have is that Tyrone have a good team but Dublin are the best team ever to play the game in my opinion. No change of management can do much about that.

[BennyHarp]

How do you get rid of a man that has just won back to back Ulster titles and kept us playing Div 1 football. A lot of people in Tyrone are spoilt brats on the back of success that was delivered by Harte himself. 
They should be careful for what they wish for - just look around
Derry - no Ulster senior title in 20 years. Armagh no Ulster title this decade - both playing in Div 3. Down pretty much the same. Don't think the same thing can't happen to Tyrone - who could have predicted for example Derry not to win an Ulster title for 20 years in the late 1990s

Now if Mickey had us playing in Div 3 with no prospects in Ulster then I would be calling for him to go.
If a manager in any other Ulster county had just won back to back Ulster titles and delivered Div 1 status he would be hailed as some sort of Messiah.
The problem that we have is that Tyrone have a good team but Dublin are the best team ever to play the game in my opinion. No change of management can do much about that.

A decent club team would have beat those Ulster teams. Not that long ago Tyrone were in the business of challenging for All Ireland titles and Phillip Jordan has said winning Ulster only meant a stepping stone to that. Last Sunday showed tactically Harte is now way behind Gavin and other managers... apparently it was the lowest tackle count against this Dublin team in recent years. If that is satisfactary we've back to the 1970s when winning Ulster was the height of our ambition. At least Mayo and Kerry would have a go...

In the 70s Ulster was shite and we still weren't winning it. Point me to back to back Ulster titles back then? I suspect you weren't around in those days to realise what it actually was like. Tyrone played Derry in Lurgan, I think circa 1979 and the talk before hand was if we'd actually field a team. We came up against a great Dublin team who knew not to engage in the tackle, fair play to them they outfoxed us. Hopefully it is the sign to come up with a new plan but I'm not sure anyone is better equipped to do that than the guy we have, maybe with a few additions to the back room team. The reality is that we don't have the players at the moment to compete with Dublin and anyone who thinks we have is blinded by previous successes. We went man to man on Kerry in the league, as a trial I suppose, and they utterly hammered us by half time. Hopefully there is a new wave of talent coming through at underage but unfortunately (or fortunately) our current tactics, although not pretty has probably kept us relatively competitive. I don't think Matty McGleenan (mental choice for a new manager) or anyone else will have a magic wand to change things. Someone mentioned Paddy Tally - did you see the tactics he employed with St Mary's in the Sigerson??