Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[teaminamillion]

how do you mean they got their chance? play an odd mc kenna cup game or come on for 10 mins here or there? in the same way someone on here said conal mc cann is finished for tyrone after gettin 35 mins in a walkover yesterday. ur gonna blame everything and anyone except harte and people like you are as much a part of the problem as mickey is.

its funny how over the years average players like mark Harte Davy Harte and the overrated Peter got every chance under the Sun. Not to mention a few of his neighbors like Aidan Mccrory? Niall McKenna never stood a chance because he is Eugenes son who Harte is so despicably jealous of from Eugene's playing days. That's what were dealing with here.

[Redhand Santa]

On an alternative note, have we any inside forwards worth their salt in the county that have the stature to make an impact at the top level?

Coney had the potential but had his chances and looks like he's not going to fulfill it. Don't know the ins and outs with McNulty but he surely has to be worth a shot?

The guys we have there - Brennan, Bradley, McCurry, O'Neill are all slight/small guys and when the opposition pack the defences with strong, physical and athletic players then these guys will struggle to make a mark inside.

Can anyone name me an inside forward in the country with the stature of those guys mentioned above who is currently one of the best in the country? The day of the speedy, skillful, small corner forward is not gone. Today it's about the big/strong guys who can their own ball and are deadly in front of the posts - guys like Geaney, McCarron, McManus, McBrearty, Murphy, Comer, Quinlavin etc. I don't think there is any point blaming Harte for the failure of the likes of McCurry, Brennan, O'Neill etc.

How do the anti-Harte experts propose we solve Harte's failings in tactics and selections? We're all ears, lads.
As someone who has wanted Harte out since 2010 I would make the point that tactics and team selection are always of importance but at this stage the players and supporters in general in Tyrone are suffering from mental fatigue with Harte who has been there nearly 16 years. Time to change this stinking nappy.

So you want Harte out for the sake of wanting him out?

Be specific, what would you like to see changed and how?

a mental fatigue has set in with Harte been there so long. Do you not get that? Lets get rid of the depression first as brolly says and take it from there. Certainly get rid of Mickeys favourites mcrory tiernan McCann. Lets get back to kicking the ball around a bit more and play closer to the opposition goal. Its not complicated.

[Redhand Santa]

there is still a place for the jamie clarkes of the gaa world. they just need a manager to be more imaginitive and play a style that will suit their game. and i guarantee there is more chance of a jamie clarke winning a big game than and aiden mc crory or tiarnan mc cann.

[Redhand Santa]

What is the point in posting the same stuff from two different accounts an hour apart? It doesn't make the point any better.

[redhandofgod]

On an alternative note, have we any inside forwards worth their salt in the county that have the stature to make an impact at the top level?

Coney had the potential but had his chances and looks like he's not going to fulfill it. Don't know the ins and outs with McNulty but he surely has to be worth a shot?

The guys we have there - Brennan, Bradley, McCurry, O'Neill are all slight/small guys and when the opposition pack the defences with strong, physical and athletic players then these guys will struggle to make a mark inside.

Can anyone name me an inside forward in the country with the stature of those guys mentioned above who is currently one of the best in the country? The day of the speedy, skillful, small corner forward is not gone. Today it's about the big/strong guys who can their own ball and are deadly in front of the posts - guys like Geaney, McCarron, McManus, McBrearty, Murphy, Comer, Quinlavin etc. I don't think there is any point blaming Harte for the failure of the likes of McCurry, Brennan, O'Neill etc.

How do the anti-Harte experts propose we solve Harte's failings in tactics and selections? We're all ears, lads.

Jamie Clarke, James O'Donoghue.....there you go.....next question

O'Donoghue is not that small or slight and in any case, what's he really done since 2014?

Clarke is a class act but the way the game has evolved renders him ineffective. Guys like McCurry, O'Neill, Bradley etc would have lit up the game 10 years ago, not now though.

McCurry would only light a game up if you were 7 points up!!

[nrico2006]

I find frustrating its the same core group of players that Harte has used over the past three four weeks.
McClure played in tyrones first 7/8 games this year and looked excellent around the middle, then got dropped for a few weeks brought back in hooked at half time and not seen since.
McNulty, Conall McCann, Rory Brennan. Its always the easy targets that harte takes off even though a number of more established players are unperforming. These players never get touched.
McCullagh, Cassidy, McHugh, Loughran (bar 15 V Mayo) are all bound to be questioning staying on the panel, called up and not been given a fair crack at it and will be missing club games over the head of it.
Likewise HP McGeary hasnt seen game time but Aidan McCrory is continually given chances. Ronan O'Neill, Cathal McShane also given chance after chance at the expense of other players on the squad.

The above is something I have always found to be true, non-established players will always get pulled before a better known player who is playing worse.  There has always been favourites and that is still the case with O'Neill, McCrory and McShane. 

 

well if thats the case mickey has to take responibility for bein left with all these wee small men who cant make it. he discarded bigger lads like coney, niall mc kenna, conan crugan, mc nulty, shea mc guigan.... list is endless really. harte is the cause of most of our ills unfortunatley

What's the answer?

Coney and McKenna had their chances but didn't show much. They both turn 27 this year and had 6/7 years on the county panel without ever really looking in place. Coney doesn't even stand out too much for Ardboe these days by all accounts.

When has Grugan ever played in the full forward line? He's a midfielder/half forward and we're well stocked in this area and nothing to say he's better than what's there already.

McNulty certainly deserves a go, I don't know the full story there but very surprised he didn't get a call up this year.

Shea McGuigan isn't a big lad, generally plays as a half forward line and is not better than anything we have in that area.

So have you actually got anything constructive to add or are you just moaning for moaning sake?

Alot of the players named were discarded without really getting the same chance that others before them have had.  I also had hopes that Johnny Lafferty could have been used better, big lad with pace, skill and ball winning ability but again got a few outings here and there and that was that.

As for Jamie Clarke, someone rightfully pointed out that he has done very little in his Armagh career to date when you look at it.  Doesn't post big scores in the majority of games he plays.

[redhandofgod]

Since the anonymous Tyrone player went to the Dublin media about having to pay the £15 to the County Board the wheels have fairly come off Tyrone's league campaign. Have the players downed tools? are they being distracted by the pound coin?

[macca123]

Totally agree with you Scoring Zone, the crop of younger players are more interested in their popularity on social media and how they look etc, they enjoy the limelight that comes with playing for your county.

Also I don't really think Tiernan McCann is mass favourite of Harte's compared to the likes of McCrory & McShane, at the minute I think McCann is well worth his spot and puts in some serious shifts.

[Rawhide]

Since the anonymous Tyrone player went to the Dublin media about having to pay the £15 to the County Board the wheels have fairly come off Tyrone's league campaign. Have the players downed tools?

Looking from the outside in, you make a valid observation.

[omagh_gael]

Since the anonymous Tyrone player went to the Dublin media about having to pay the £15 to the County Board the wheels have fairly come off Tyrone's league campaign. Have the players downed tools?

Looking from the outside in, you make a valid observation.

That story broke in the third week of February and Tyrone went on to beat Monaghan the following weekend and Cavan in the round after that. We lost the last three games because we were playing the toughest teams in the division. 

[redhandofgod]

Dublin are the toughest team in the division.....
Monaghan played the majority of the 2nd half with 13 players and we just about scrapped over the line. Cavan are shite.

[southtyronegael]

No Tyrone player sent an email to newstalk. Mickey Harte sent it to discredit rosin Jordan and it has backfired big time.and I don't believe any Tyrone player spoke to brolly either.

[Fuzzman]

I was wondering after the game on Sunday does Harte sometimes change tactics a bit to show us how things can go wrong if we move away from the style we have been using.
What I mean is the last few games we've been hitting a lot more long balls into the FF line but it hasn't brought much joy. We also seem to not play so defensively on Sunday and so Kerry were tearing us apart in the first 20 mins and had a huge lead built up.

I'm just wondering does this give Harte now justification that we are better of to return to the game plan we've got used to and he will abandon using the FF line again.
He certainly has lowered expectations going into the championship as if we had went through the league unbeaten and went close to the Dubs in the final then we would be expecting to win Ulster again and do better than last year.

With the way Donegal and Monaghan have done so well in the league, I would not be so confident of retaining Ulster at the moment.

STG, do you think it was Harte that spoke to Brolly then? Maybe it was Kyle Coney or Shay McGuigan. 

[teaminamillion]

I was wondering after the game on Sunday does Harte sometimes change tactics a bit to show us how things can go wrong if we move away from the style we have been using.
What I mean is the last few games we've been hitting a lot more long balls into the FF line but it hasn't brought much joy. We also seem to not play so defensively on Sunday and so Kerry were tearing us apart in the first 20 mins and had a huge lead built up.

I'm just wondering does this give Harte now justification that we are better of to return to the game plan we've got used to and he will abandon using the FF line again.
He certainly has lowered expectations going into the championship as if we had went through the league unbeaten and went close to the Dubs in the final then we would be expecting to win Ulster again and do better than last year.

With the way Donegal and Monaghan have done so well in the league, I would not be so confident of retaining Ulster at the moment.

STG, do you think it was Harte that spoke to Brolly then? Maybe it was Kyle Coney or Shay McGuigan.  listen the problem is there are certain players like Peter Harte who cant play in any other system. It would leave them exposed to the opposition you see it even at club level for errigal Ciaran when Petey has to play midfield were picking up your man is less relevant. Where did Petey end up in the second half of the Ulster final last year once Ryan McHugh exposed him in the first half?Petey needs the protection of a massed defence. There s a cats chance in hell Mickey Harte will drop his nephew. That is the crux of the problem in Tyrone. People need to waken up!

[southtyronegael]

Omg fuzzman did u just write that? Lol. Last 3 defeats all part of mickeys master plan! What a pile of shite. Easily the worst excuse to defend mickey yet.