FRC proposals...black cards, marks etc

[Zulu]

Surely it's brought back for the foul, isn't that the difference between the new rule and the old one? Before you couldn't give the free once you had given advantage, now you can within the 5 second period.

[Milltown Row2]

If I've been fouled, does the ref shout 'advantage' or whatever or how would I know? I may want to take the free as I'm shite at scoring and our free taker is deadly accurate. Can I let the referee know this?

In rugby if there's an advantage being played and I want to take the penalty, the scrum half or whoever would deliberately foul the ball and the penalty would be awarded, I presume there's no mechanism for this, is there?

An interesting one will be if you're fouled close to goal, the ref signals advantage and you shoot within the 5 seconds.
If the ball goes wide does the ref say, tough luck, you used your advantage and messed it up?
Or will it be like rugby, you got your shot off while advantage was being played so if its a miss, the ball is brought back and free awarded.

There is no adavantage, so bring it back

[Rossfan]

"Hurling Man"(real) fights back 


Tony Considine has rubbished GAA President Liam O'Neill's suggestion that the black card should be introduced to hurling.

Writing in his column in today's Irish Examiner, former Clare manager Considine reacts angrily to O'Neill saying he would have no fear of the black card - which is aimed at reducing cynical fouling in gaelic football - being brought in to the small ball code.

"What is going on in Liam O'Neill's head," asks Considine. "He now wants to see the black card introduced to hurling - what next, blue cards, green cards? Any one of these days I expect the GAA to run out of colours. 'Twouldn't do to be colour-blind anyway would it, for either a referee or a player?

"It's becoming farcical, completely and utterly farcical. All the genuine issues in the GAA and we're down to this. I've said this before and I'll say it again, if the GAA wants to introduce something between a yellow and a red card then let them go back to the sin-bin.'

He continues: "I thought this was already decided, that it wasn't to be applied to hurling. We keep hearing Liam O'Neill is a hurling man, from a hurling club in Laois, grew up as a Kilkenny hurling supporter - if he's from such a small club, surely he should know better than anyone the effect this could have?

"If you want to get your discipline right on the field, look at rugby. There you have the sin-bin, no nonsense. A player is off the field for 10 minutes, no replacement; his team is put under additional pressure for that 10 minutes and even when he comes back on, they can still be under pressure, fellas having put in a lot more effort in that 10 minutes than they'd otherwise have done." -

[johnneycool]

"Hurling Man"(real) fights back 


Tony Considine has rubbished GAA President Liam O'Neill's suggestion that the black card should be introduced to hurling.

Writing in his column in today's Irish Examiner, former Clare manager Considine reacts angrily to O'Neill saying he would have no fear of the black card - which is aimed at reducing cynical fouling in gaelic football - being brought in to the small ball code.

"What is going on in Liam O'Neill's head," asks Considine. "He now wants to see the black card introduced to hurling - what next, blue cards, green cards? Any one of these days I expect the GAA to run out of colours. 'Twouldn't do to be colour-blind anyway would it, for either a referee or a player?

"It's becoming farcical, completely and utterly farcical. All the genuine issues in the GAA and we're down to this. I've said this before and I'll say it again, if the GAA wants to introduce something between a yellow and a red card then let them go back to the sin-bin.'

He continues: "I thought this was already decided, that it wasn't to be applied to hurling. We keep hearing Liam O'Neill is a hurling man, from a hurling club in Laois, grew up as a Kilkenny hurling supporter - if he's from such a small club, surely he should know better than anyone the effect this could have?

"If you want to get your discipline right on the field, look at rugby. There you have the sin-bin, no nonsense. A player is off the field for 10 minutes, no replacement; his team is put under additional pressure for that 10 minutes and even when he comes back on, they can still be under pressure, fellas having put in a lot more effort in that 10 minutes than they'd otherwise have done." -

If you actually read what Considine says in the original article then he's a very valid point, this black card is a pussy foot around the last failed introduction of the sin bin which is still the most obvious solution to the problem in hand. At no point does he mention that hurling doesn't have its own problems and the 'hurling man' and first few lines don't reflect the actual points he finally makes.
The black card will cause problems for teams struggling with numbers in either code irrespective if its introduced in hurling, something already highlighted on this thread.

[Rossfan]

Contrast the series of unpunished assaults on Anthony Nash when he came up field to take a free v Clare to how footballers let opposing goalies up field ( as they should of course) to take 45s etc. If the footballers did interfere with the goalie they'd be yellow carded on the spot.
Then we had Davy complaining that people were complaining about the assaults on Nash 
And of course Squirrel praising Joe Canning for scoring a fantastic goal one time and saying that anyone complaining about him carrying the ball for 15 steps was only being "picky".

It is the referees call on the steps, if he feels (as it is in football) that he's being fouled as he's running in (as it is most occasions) he'll give him an extra few, now we can play advantage or pull it back to the original foul. You are talking about highly charged games a bitta common sense sometimes is the best thing.

If a lines man sees a player being struck (as in Nash) off the ball he'll inform the referee and if the referee sees it he'll book him also.  [/quote]

As far as I recall the Canning overcarrying was where he ran very fast building up a head of steam and wasn't tackled as no one got near him.
The linesman and the Ref must have been the only three people in Croke Park that day who didn't see Nash being assaulted.

[Milltown Row2]

Contrast the series of unpunished assaults on Anthony Nash when he came up field to take a free v Clare to how footballers let opposing goalies up field ( as they should of course) to take 45s etc. If the footballers did interfere with the goalie they'd be yellow carded on the spot.
Then we had Davy complaining that people were complaining about the assaults on Nash 
And of course Squirrel praising Joe Canning for scoring a fantastic goal one time and saying that anyone complaining about him carrying the ball for 15 steps was only being "picky".

It is the referees call on the steps, if he feels (as it is in football) that he's being fouled as he's running in (as it is most occasions) he'll give him an extra few, now we can play advantage or pull it back to the original foul. You are talking about highly charged games a bitta common sense sometimes is the best thing.

If a lines man sees a player being struck (as in Nash) off the ball he'll inform the referee and if the referee sees it he'll book him also. 

As far as I recall the Canning overcarrying was where he ran very fast building up a head of steam and wasn't tackled as no one got near him.
The linesman and the Ref must have been the only three people in Croke Park that day who didn't see Nash being assaulted.
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It happens, sure Tommy Walsh assaulted a referee and he never seen it 

[Rossfan]

It happens, sure Tommy Walsh assaulted a referee and he never seen it 

Probably the ref's fault , sure maybe he wasn't from a proper hurling County

[Milltown Row2]

It happens, sure Tommy Walsh assaulted a referee and he never seen it 

Probably the ref's fault , sure maybe he wasn't from a proper hurling County

Was poor positioning (never try and stop a handbag session) by Gavin I thought at the time, so yeah I'd say your right on the first point, but Gavin is from Offaly so not on second part

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTo0vvt1Ims

[Rossfan]

It happens, sure Tommy Walsh assaulted a referee and he never seen it 

Probably the ref's fault , sure maybe he wasn't from a proper hurling County

Was poor positioning (never try and stop a handbag session) by Gavin I thought at the time, so yeah I'd say your right on the first point, but Gavin is from Offaly so not on second part

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTo0vvt1Ims

Ahhh come on Milltown - sure Offaly isn't a proper hurling County at all at all. Anyone I ever met from Tipp, Limerick, Cork etc etc have total disdain for Offaly.
One Tipp lad told me that they never won a proper All Ireland  " Sure they bet no wan - never bet Cork or Tipp in a final". Seems that lad didn't rate the Cats as a hurling county either.

[Milltown Row2]

They gave Limerick a beating at Croke one year. 

[johnneycool]

They gave Limerick a beating at Croke one year. 

Ah sure Limerick downed the tools too early and gave it to them...

[highorlow]

Less than 3 hours til the black card. Big advantage for our lads shsssh

[Syferus]

Less than 3 hours til the black card. Big advantage for our lads shsssh

Yer a biteen late:

http://www.irishnews.com%2Fgaa%2Fdonie-s-black-card-takes-the-shine-off-donegal-win-1313367196

N.B. Some hopped up buckeen praising Donie for getting us back into the match one second and calling him 'languid' the next. Haters.

[BennyHarp]

My prediction for the year. We will see an explosion in the running game in 2014 with more hand passing than ever and even less kicking. Retreating full forward lines and packed defences will be even more evident as running with the ball becomes an even more viable tactic. Teams to pack their defences rather than tackle in their own half in fear of exposing a player to making a black card offence. Plenty of running from deep as we can't stop the player running off the ball and sideways handpassing along the 45 yard line as they meet the packed defences. Club players to get even more disillusioned as refs hand out black cards for everything. It's going to be an interesting year of arguments, chess matches, baffling decisions and plenty of work for the DRA - I can hardly wait.

[orangeman]

Armagh manager Paul Grimley feels supporters will become "completely disillusioned" by the black card.

The Armagh boss said the decision to introduce the black card was a poor judgement on everyone's behalf following their Dr McKenna Cup win against Queen's.

He believes the black card is present in football because of a media-driven campaign.

Grimley told RTÉ: "The rule change was uncalled for because it was a disproportionate response to the amount of cynical tackling being done. It was driven by punditry and in the media I feel.

"If you look at the highlights of last year, there was maybe four or five challenges that were regarded as outright cynical. If that is why the rule was changed I think it is a fairly poor judgement on everybody's behalf.

"There was nobody that turned around and highlighted the four or five great tackles that might have been made to run parallel with that.

"I feel supporters in general will become completely disillusioned and a wee bit frustrated whenever they see some of the players getting the black card for whatever reason."

Over a dozen black cards were handed out over the 20 games during the weekend in what was the first time it was available to referees.

Grimley is convinced the black card is an unnecessary step.

"You can't blame the referees," he said.

"They are doing their best obviously. The rules are there. There was definitely no call of the rule change for the black card.

"I think it absolutely makes a cod of our game. People are on about cynical play. For the five or six instances there was, did it require a rule change? The answer is no in my mind anyway."