Oscar Pistorius

[muppet]

Botha delivers the killer line: He [The witness] said he heard a female screaming, and then another couple of shots.

[Main Street]

It reads as if the case is flying through the courts in record time, but this only the bail hearing?

[muppet]

This is the bail hearing, trial expected within a year. They are afraid he will leg it (sorry) if he gets bail. House in Itlay and many offshore accounts. I am guessing they are trying to show serious evidence to prevent bail.

Also he has been charged with illegally holding ammunition.

[Shamrock Shore]

Surely what's the point of absconding? No matter where he would end up he'd be extradited - unless he went to some tin pot place like Mali or North Korea. But perhaps life in a shed on The North Pole would be preferable to a South African jail where surely he'll be a bitch for the rest of his natural

[muppet]

From Oscar's affidavit:

16.4 On the 13th of February 2013 Reeva would have gone out with her friends and I with my friends. Reeva then called me and asked that we rather spend the evening at home. I agreed and we were content to have a quiet dinner together at home. By about 22h00 on 13 February 2013 we were in our bedroom. She was doing her yoga exercises and I was in bed watching television. My prosthetic legs were off. We were deeply in love and I could not be happier. I know she felt the same way. She had given me a present for Valentine's Day but asked me only to open it the next day.

16.5 After Reeva finished her yoga exercises she got into bed and we both fell asleep.


The home of Olympic athlete Oscar Pistorius in a gated housing complex in Pretoria, South Africa where Reeva Steenkamp  was shot dead.

16.6 I am acutely aware of violent crime being committed by intruders entering homes with a view to commit crime, including violent crime. I have received death threats before. I have also been a victim of violence and of burglaries before. For that reason I kept my firearm, a 9 mm Parabellum, underneath my bed when I went to bed at night.

16.7 During the early morning hours of 14 February 2013, I woke up, went onto the balcony to bring the fan in and closed the sliding doors, the blinds and the curtains. I heard a noise in the bathroom and realised that someone was in the bathroom.

16.8 I felt a sense of terror rushing over me. There are no burglar bars across the bathroom window and I knew that contractors who worked at my house had left the ladders outside. Although I did not have my prosthetic legs on I have mobility on my stumps.

16.9 I believed that someone had entered my house. I was too scared to switch a light on.

16.10 I grabbed my 9mm pistol from underneath my bed. On my way to the bathroom I screamed words to the effect for him/them to get out of my house and for Reeva to phone the police. It was pitch dark in the bedroom and I thought Reeva was in bed.

16.11 I noticed that the bathroom window was open. I realised that the intruder/s was/were in the toilet because the toilet door was closed and I did not see anyone in the bathroom. I heard movement inside the toilet. The toilet is inside the bathroom and has a separate door.

16.12 It filled me with horror and fear of an intruder or intruders being inside the toilet. I thought he or they must have entered through the unprotected window.


Reeva Steenkamp was sitting on this toilet when she was shot, according to police.

As I did not have my prosthetic legs on and felt extremely vulnerable, I knew I had to protect Reeva and myself. I believed that when the intruder/s came out of the toilet we would be in grave danger. I felt trapped as my bedroom door was locked and I have limited mobility on my stumps.

16.13 I fired shots at the toilet door and shouted to Reeva to phone the police. She did not respond and I moved backwards out of the bathroom, keeping my eyes on the bathroom entrance. Everything was pitch dark in the bedroom and I was still too scared to switch on a light. Reeva was not responding.

16.14 When I reached the bed, I realised that Reeva was not in bed. That is when it dawned on me that it could have been Reeva who was in the toilet. I returned to the bathroom calling her name. I tried to open the toilet door but it was locked. I rushed back into the bedroom and opened the sliding door exiting onto the balcony and screamed for help.

16.15 I put on my prosthetic legs, ran back to the bathroom and tried to kick the toilet door open. I think I must then have turned on the lights.

I went back into the bedroom and grabbed my cricket bat to bash open the toilet door. A panel or panels broke off and I found the key on the floor and unlocked and opened the door. Reeva was slumped over but alive.

16.16 I battled to get her out of the toilet and pulled her into the bathroom. I phoned Johan Stander ("Stander") who was involved in the administration of the estate and asked him to phone the ambulance. I phoned Netcare and asked for help. I went downstairs to open the front door.

16.17 I returned to the bathroom and picked Reeva up as I had been told not to wait for the paramedics, but to take her to hospital. I carried her downstairs in order to take her to the hospital. On my way down Stander arrived. A doctor who lives in the complex also arrived. Downstairs, I tried to render the assistance to Reeva that I could, but she died in my arms.

[muppet]

Defense lawyer making an idiot out of Botha.

How far was the witness' house from Pistorius?

Botha: 600m.

Doesn't sound great.

[muppet]

'testosterone' was actually: testo composutim co-enzyme.

Anyone able to shed any light on that?

[muppet]

This is confusing to me.

Defence lawyer is destroying detective for have baked investigation. But this is a bail hearing. Trail will be net year and presumably that will give time for thorough investigation into ballistics etc.

Is the defence lawyer simply playing to the gallery by putting on a pointless show before the game really starts?

[Milltown Row2]

From Oscar's affidavit:

16.4 On the 13th of February 2013 Reeva would have gone out with her friends and I with my friends. Reeva then called me and asked that we rather spend the evening at home. I agreed and we were content to have a quiet dinner together at home. By about 22h00 on 13 February 2013 we were in our bedroom. She was doing her yoga exercises and I was in bed watching television. My prosthetic legs were off. We were deeply in love and I could not be happier. I know she felt the same way. She had given me a present for Valentine's Day but asked me only to open it the next day.

16.5 After Reeva finished her yoga exercises she got into bed and we both fell asleep.


The home of Olympic athlete Oscar Pistorius in a gated housing complex in Pretoria, South Africa where Reeva Steenkamp  was shot dead.

16.6 I am acutely aware of violent crime being committed by intruders entering homes with a view to commit crime, including violent crime. I have received death threats before. I have also been a victim of violence and of burglaries before. For that reason I kept my firearm, a 9 mm Parabellum, underneath my bed when I went to bed at night.

16.7 During the early morning hours of 14 February 2013, I woke up, went onto the balcony to bring the fan in and closed the sliding doors, the blinds and the curtains. I heard a noise in the bathroom and realised that someone was in the bathroom.

16.8 I felt a sense of terror rushing over me. There are no burglar bars across the bathroom window and I knew that contractors who worked at my house had left the ladders outside. Although I did not have my prosthetic legs on I have mobility on my stumps.

16.9 I believed that someone had entered my house. I was too scared to switch a light on.

16.10 I grabbed my 9mm pistol from underneath my bed. On my way to the bathroom I screamed words to the effect for him/them to get out of my house and for Reeva to phone the police. It was pitch dark in the bedroom and I thought Reeva was in bed.

16.11 I noticed that the bathroom window was open. I realised that the intruder/s was/were in the toilet because the toilet door was closed and I did not see anyone in the bathroom. I heard movement inside the toilet. The toilet is inside the bathroom and has a separate door.

16.12 It filled me with horror and fear of an intruder or intruders being inside the toilet. I thought he or they must have entered through the unprotected window.


Reeva Steenkamp was sitting on this toilet when she was shot, according to police.

As I did not have my prosthetic legs on and felt extremely vulnerable, I knew I had to protect Reeva and myself. I believed that when the intruder/s came out of the toilet we would be in grave danger. I felt trapped as my bedroom door was locked and I have limited mobility on my stumps.

16.13 I fired shots at the toilet door and shouted to Reeva to phone the police. She did not respond and I moved backwards out of the bathroom, keeping my eyes on the bathroom entrance. Everything was pitch dark in the bedroom and I was still too scared to switch on a light. Reeva was not responding.

16.14 When I reached the bed, I realised that Reeva was not in bed. That is when it dawned on me that it could have been Reeva who was in the toilet. I returned to the bathroom calling her name. I tried to open the toilet door but it was locked. I rushed back into the bedroom and opened the sliding door exiting onto the balcony and screamed for help.

16.15 I put on my prosthetic legs, ran back to the bathroom and tried to kick the toilet door open. I think I must then have turned on the lights.

I went back into the bedroom and grabbed my cricket bat to bash open the toilet door. A panel or panels broke off and I found the key on the floor and unlocked and opened the door. Reeva was slumped over but alive.

16.16 I battled to get her out of the toilet and pulled her into the bathroom. I phoned Johan Stander ("Stander") who was involved in the administration of the estate and asked him to phone the ambulance. I phoned Netcare and asked for help. I went downstairs to open the front door.

16.17 I returned to the bathroom and picked Reeva up as I had been told not to wait for the paramedics, but to take her to hospital. I carried her downstairs in order to take her to the hospital. On my way down Stander arrived. A doctor who lives in the complex also arrived. Downstairs, I tried to render the assistance to Reeva that I could, but she died in my arms.

If he sticks to that story then it will be OJ all over again FFS!!

[muppet]

Yip, defence lawyers embarrassing the cop is compelling on twitter but doesn't seem to amount to much imho. For example the locked toilet door is suggested as proof that Oscar shouted to her that there was an intruder and hence she locked the toilet door. I would also argue that people going to the toilet often lock the door. That doesn't prove anything.

[muppet]

(Botha) concedes he could not find anything inconsistant with Oscar's version.

That looks pretty good for Oscar regarding the premeditated murder charge.

[Milltown Row2]

Yip, defence lawyers embarrassing the cop is compelling on twitter but doesn't seem to amount to much imho. For example the locked toilet door is suggested as proof that Oscar shouted to her that there was an intruder and hence she locked the toilet door. I would also argue that people going to the toilet often lock the door. That doesn't prove anything.

Couples don't usually lock the toilet door, close it over yes, or is that just me? 

[seafoid]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/19/oscar-pistorius-south-africa-anc

A question that many are asking is how someone that has achieved so much, that has so much going for him, that is so well-loved across the world could do something such as Pistorius is alleged to have done. There are two possible answers that also speak to aspects of the state of our nation.
The first is that precisely because of a sense of power that derives from such widespread acclaim, there is a possible measure of impunity. We see this too in our national life, where many in power engage in acts of criminality with impunity, believing that they will, or could, get away with it.

The second is that Pistorius simply did not possess the emotional, psychological and other personal tools to deal with and manage his fame, his wealth, his deep personal challenges and flaws so that ultimately, there was an inevitable explosion. There are now suggestions that the signs were there for many to see, but there was a reluctance to act because of the powerful position Pistorius occupied in the public's mind, because he did not invite such help and because, it is alleged, he kept a black book of people who crossed him, using intimidation and threats against those who might expose his flaws

[muppet]

Yip, defence lawyers embarrassing the cop is compelling on twitter but doesn't seem to amount to much imho. For example the locked toilet door is suggested as proof that Oscar shouted to her that there was an intruder and hence she locked the toilet door. I would also argue that people going to the toilet often lock the door. That doesn't prove anything.

Couples don't usually lock the toilet door, close it over yes, or is that just me? 

They were together only a few months. Also if they had been rowing she may have locked it anyway.

Back to the nuts and bolts, even according to his version, look at it from her point of view.

He got out of bed. She got up and went to the toilet. He shouted at her to phone the police that there was an intruder. He shot her 4 times through the toilet door. That is his version of events.

[muppet]

Definitely has to pass the bed to get to the bathroom from the balcony. He also said the bedroom door was locked. It will be interesting when Oscar is questioned. Don't know if that will happen at a bail hearing though.