America`s Gun Culture

[Truthsayer]

Wouldn't say I've cheered or felt joy at anyone's death but would have felt the world was a better place for their exit. And will be when we see the evil thats being perpetrated..

[Eamonnca1]

So was it okay for DeValera to give condolences on the death of Hitler then? Can't speak ill of the dead now, can we?

[johnnycool]

So was it okay for DeValera to give condolences on the death of Hitler then? Can't speak ill of the dead now, can we?

[Eamonnca1]

Still widely regarded as a bad move though. After what Hitler had done, I'm quite sure it was okay to at least treat his death with a sense of relief.

When someone like Kirk dies, a man who called for public executions by guillotine that children should be compelled to watch, pardon me if I don't start wailing. The people doing Princess-Diana-funeral-style performative grief are going to have a hard time getting any sympathy from me. He wasn't worth a sh1te when he was alive and he's not worth a sh1te now that he's dead.

[trileacman]

So was it okay for DeValera to give condolences on the death of Hitler then? Can't speak ill of the dead now, can we?

You've made two false equivalences there.

 Firstly by equivocating Hitler, a man who formed the Nazi Party, advocated the liquidation of Europes Jews and started a war that would claim close to 20 million lives with Charlie Kirk, a right-wing student activist who mostly debated at college campuses.

Secondly you've suggested that the only alternative to laughing at someone's assassination is to offer condolences. You've overlooked the fact that you could also keep your own opinions to yourself without the need to publicly mock someone in the hours after their death.

[Armagh18]

Still widely regarded as a bad move though. After what Hitler had done, I'm quite sure it was okay to at least treat his death with a sense of relief.

When someone like Kirk dies, a man who called for public executions by guillotine that children should be compelled to watch, pardon me if I don't start wailing. The people doing Princess-Diana-funeral-style performative grief are going to have a hard time getting any sympathy from me. He wasn't worth a sh1te when he was alive and he's not worth a sh1te now that he's dead.

Was it common knowledge the extent of what Hitler had been at at the time of his death?

Anyway, if you want to be a neutral country you'd have to treat the leader of Germany the same as the leader of France or the US or Britain.

[Eamonnca1]

So was it okay for DeValera to give condolences on the death of Hitler then? Can't speak ill of the dead now, can we?

You've made two false equivalences there.

 Firstly by equivocating Hitler, a man who formed the Nazi Party, advocated the liquidation of Europes Jews and started a war that would claim close to 20 million lives with Charlie Kirk, a right-wing student activist who mostly debated at college campuses.

The equivalence is entirely appropriate. He was straight from the Hitler playbook. Using new media and public speaking skills to press people's emotional buttons to scapegoat vulnerable minorities. He plugged into the MAGA movement to enact his sinister goals.  He didn't have to create a new party because the American Republican party has been redirected into fascism with alarming speed.

Joseph Goebbels might be a slightly more accurate comparison, but the difference is only a matter of degree. People are dying daily in America in gun violence, all because of the twisted "guns save lives" ideology pushed by people like Kirk. His ideas are not harmless, they are deadly.

Secondly you've suggested that the only alternative to laughing at someone's assassination is to offer condolences. You've overlooked the fact that you could also keep your own opinions to yourself without the need to publicly mock someone in the hours after their death.

I never said that was the only alternative. But in any case you could exercise your right to free speech and mock away. Kirk was supposed to be a martyr to the cause of free speech, was he not? You're either for free speech or your not. The Kirk cult is holding him up as some sort of patron saint of "free speech," when he built a career out of ruining the lives of people whose speech he disagreed with, and his minions are continuing to cancel people who exercise that right.

[Eamonnca1]

Still widely regarded as a bad move though. After what Hitler had done, I'm quite sure it was okay to at least treat his death with a sense of relief.

When someone like Kirk dies, a man who called for public executions by guillotine that children should be compelled to watch, pardon me if I don't start wailing. The people doing Princess-Diana-funeral-style performative grief are going to have a hard time getting any sympathy from me. He wasn't worth a sh1te when he was alive and he's not worth a sh1te now that he's dead.

Was it common knowledge the extent of what Hitler had been at at the time of his death?

Anyway, if you want to be a neutral country you'd have to treat the leader of Germany the same as the leader of France or the US or Britain.

Yes.

[trileacman]

So was it okay for DeValera to give condolences on the death of Hitler then? Can't speak ill of the dead now, can we?

You've made two false equivalences there.

 Firstly by equivocating Hitler, a man who formed the Nazi Party, advocated the liquidation of Europes Jews and started a war that would claim close to 20 million lives with Charlie Kirk, a right-wing student activist who mostly debated at college campuses.

The equivalence is entirely appropriate. He was straight from the Hitler playbook. Using new media and public speaking skills to press people's emotional buttons to scapegoat vulnerable minorities. He plugged into the MAGA movement to enact his sinister goals.  He didn't have to create a new party because the American Republican party has been redirected into fascism with alarming speed.

Joseph Goebbels might be a slightly more accurate comparison, but the difference is only a matter of degree. People are dying daily in America in gun violence, all because of the twisted "guns save lives" ideology pushed by people like Kirk. His ideas are not harmless, they are deadly.

Secondly you've suggested that the only alternative to laughing at someone's assassination is to offer condolences. You've overlooked the fact that you could also keep your own opinions to yourself without the need to publicly mock someone in the hours after their death.

I never said that was the only alternative. But in any case you could exercise your right to free speech and mock away. Kirk was supposed to be a martyr to the cause of free speech, was he not? You're either for free speech or your not. The Kirk cult is holding him up as some sort of patron saint of "free speech," when he built a career out of ruining the lives of people whose speech he disagreed with, and his minions are continuing to cancel people who exercise that right.

Kirk was not equivalent to Hitler. You're talking shite.

[DaleCooper]

If they had enacted a "1 gun max per person rule" a long time ago it would have went a long way but the 2nd amendment was cynically used by the gun industry to create an endless profit stream.

Currently worth around one fifth of Irelands GDP.

[Eamonnca1]

Someone who uses his oratory and rhetoric to push hateful ideas that get people killed and ruin other people's lives? Play me the world's smallest violin if people say mean things about him after he died.

[RedHand88]

Eamonn you clearly have immersed yourself balls deep in the American culture war and believe that everyone on the other "side" is evil/fascist/Hitler.
You'd do yourself a huge favour moving away from following politics. This cannot be making you happy.

[Eamonnca1]

Eamonn you clearly have immersed yourself balls deep in the American culture war and believe that everyone on the other "side" is evil/fascist/Hitler.
You'd do yourself a huge favour moving away from following politics. This cannot be making you happy.

I've been on a news diet since Trump got back in, but it's been very hard to escape this Kirk nonsense. It's everywhere.

[seafoid]

https://www.ft.com/content/f5dfc16e-9e91-43e2-8d31-7cd8102485f9

Kirk's death, by contrast, sparked an instant blame game. "If they won't leave us in peace, then our choice is to fight or die," Elon Musk posted on his platform, X, shortly after calling the left "the party of murder".

[seafoid]

Kirk was an extremist.


https://www.ft.com/content/3b6574ac-f8db-4998-9a91-e7f4bbe70a9b
"Death penalties should be public, should be quick, it should be televised. I think at a certain age, its an initiation...What age should you start to see public executions?" Charlie Kirk asked


There is a lot of hate coming from the GOP side.There is no talk of reconciliation.

https://www.ft.com/content/3b6574ac-f8db-4998-9a91-e7f4bbe70a9b

Laura Loomer, a rightwing activist whose lobbying has prompted Trump to fire members of his administration, said on X it was time to "shut down, defund, & prosecute every single Leftist organisation".

Polarisation is off the charts in the US.