Belfast rioting over removal of Union Jack

[omagh_gael]

http://t.co/RQZIbEYH

Disgusting

[Myles Na G.]

What's the name of the secondary school, if you don't mind me asking? I also live not a million miles from Ravenhill, so I'm curious.

Knockbreda

Right. Not many of those where I am, thankfully. Nearest school to us is Wellington - seem to be a sensible enough bunch there.

[AQMP]

There is a story here the media seems intent on ignoring, for the most part.  The protesters couldn't even manage attract 1,000 people to the City Hall today.  These brain dead wankers are a miniscule minority who are being allowed (facilitated by the PSNI softly, softly approach) to hold the rest of Belfast to ransom and have a political influence way, way beyond their numbers.  It's time the PSNI stopped facilitating and started policing and time the media started asking the likes of Squeaky Bryson questions like "Why have you no support?" and Robinson and Nesbitt need to be asked "Why are you running shit scared of 15 teenage thugs with Rangers scarves round their faces?"

There, I've said it!

[Milltown Row2]

There is a story here the media seems intent on ignoring, for the most part.  The protesters couldn't even manage attract 1,000 people to the City Hall today.  These brain dead w**kers are a miniscule minority who are being allowed (facilitated by the PSNI softly, softly approach) to hold the rest of Belfast to ransom and have a political influence way, way beyond their numbers.  It's time the PSNI stopped facilitating and started policing and time the media started asking the likes of Squeaky Bryson questions like "Why have you no support?" and Robinson and Nesbitt need to be asked "Why are you running shit scared of 15 teenage thugs with Rangers scarves round their faces?"

There, I've said it!

Have we not been on the end of the roughly roughly approach before and what does it do? It makes more people want to join these assholes and create a situation like before. Some young innocent catholic will be killed, that is a given, if the police do go in heavy handed.

Then we will be back at the start, dissidents would be rubbing their hands if things were to get out of hands, dissidents on both sides that is

[Tony Baloney]

Absolutely sick listening about these cnuts rioting due to lack of investment in their area. The truth is the had it their own ways for decades walking into jobs and apprenticeships in Shorts, the shipyards, Scirroco works etc. with little care for anything or than a basic education whereas the poor auld croppy had to do twice as much for an equivalent job. Now the manufacturing industry in East Belfast has, in the main, declined to a point where the male population cannot walk into a job after school they start their f**king mopery about lack of investment and "the taigs get everything" excuses. People growing up west of the Bann or in Glens/N. Antrim didn't exactly have a huge influx of inward investment either. At home if you left school at 16 you were learning a trade or working on farms and in the old days on the boats. If you stayed on at school you had a chance of a job as a teacher or a civil servant. Very, very few people were walking into jobs like these feckers in E. Belfast.

Nowadays the Catholic man or woman wanting to work can seek out employment rather than complaining that no-one is investing outside their door. There are roads and railways in this place where it is actually possible to  travel to and from work. Failing that these no mark protestors could get off their arse like the rest of the country and head to Australia or the US. I was up home last week and a girl I went to school with was telling me that her son was heading to Oz with 31 others from the local area around Loughgiel, Ballycastle, Armoy! No-one is building factories or pumping millions of Peace money into these areas.

f**k the lot of youse tramps in E. Belfast and further afield.

[ziggysego]

Absolutely sick listening about these cnuts rioting due to lack of investment in their area. The truth is the had it their own ways for decades walking into jobs and apprenticeships in Shorts, the shipyards, Scirroco works etc. with little care for anything or than a basic education whereas the poor auld croppy had to do twice as much for an equivalent job. Now the manufacturing industry in East Belfast has, in the main, declined to a point where the male population cannot walk into a job after school they start their f**king mopery about lack of investment and "the taigs get everything" excuses. People growing up west of the Bann or in Glens/N. Antrim didn't exactly have a huge influx of inward investment either. At home if you left school at 16 you were learning a trade or working on farms and in the old days on the boats. If you stayed on at school you had a chance of a job as a teacher or a civil servant. Very, very few people were walking into jobs like these feckers in E. Belfast.

Nowadays the Catholic man or woman wanting to work can seek out employment rather than complaining that no-one is investing outside their door. There are roads and railways in this place where it is actually possible to  travel to and from work. Failing that these no mark protestors could get off their arse like the rest of the country and head to Australia or the US. I was up home last week and a girl I went to school with was telling me that her son was heading to Oz with 31 others from the local area around Loughgiel, Ballycastle, Armoy! No-one is building factories or pumping millions of Peace money into these areas.

f**k the lot of youse tramps in E. Belfast and further afield.

For a man that talks a lot of bollocks, you're spot on here Tony.

[T Fearon]

Why do we not get stats on the number of protesters/rioters  injured each day the same way as we do with PSNI casualties?

[armaghniac]

For a man that talks a lot of bollocks,

Speaking of people that talk a lot of bollocks, Eamonn McCann had an article during the week which pointed out that the class divide was always large on the unionist side, but that the lower classes could always take comfort from being better off than Catholics. In the modern world there isn't even this comfort and with a dysfunctional attitudes to education there isn't great prospects for young Billy. McCann's take on things was that measures were needed to improve the lot of poorer communites, on both sides of the house. In the 21st century poorly educated youths will not have it easy in any country, this is not a problem that is going to go away and a self pitying attitude that it is because of non existent discrimination does not help.

Why do we not get stats on the number of protesters/rioters  injured each day the same way as we do with PSNI casualties?

The rioters don't do stats.

[Milltown Row2]

Absolutely sick listening about these cnuts rioting due to lack of investment in their area. The truth is the had it their own ways for decades walking into jobs and apprenticeships in Shorts, the shipyards, Scirroco works etc. with little care for anything or than a basic education whereas the poor auld croppy had to do twice as much for an equivalent job. Now the manufacturing industry in East Belfast has, in the main, declined to a point where the male population cannot walk into a job after school they start their f**king mopery about lack of investment and "the taigs get everything" excuses. People growing up west of the Bann or in Glens/N. Antrim didn't exactly have a huge influx of inward investment either. At home if you left school at 16 you were learning a trade or working on farms and in the old days on the boats. If you stayed on at school you had a chance of a job as a teacher or a civil servant. Very, very few people were walking into jobs like these feckers in E. Belfast.

Nowadays the Catholic man or woman wanting to work can seek out employment rather than complaining that no-one is investing outside their door. There are roads and railways in this place where it is actually possible to  travel to and from work. Failing that these no mark protestors could get off their arse like the rest of the country and head to Australia or the US. I was up home last week and a girl I went to school with was telling me that her son was heading to Oz with 31 others from the local area around Loughgiel, Ballycastle, Armoy! No-one is building factories or pumping millions of Peace money into these areas.

f**k the lot of youse tramps in E. Belfast and further afield.

For a man that talks a lot of bollocks, you're spot on here Tony.

I thought they were rioting due to the flag . Yes to a degree you are right, I seen it first hand in Harland's during my apprenticeship, the amount of families 3 generation families all together working there was very common. I started with a lad he's two other brothers there his da and granda all working there. He'd also two uncles to boot. Not uncommon. I was the only taig in a workshop of 200 odd workers.

To get an apprenticeship there was no need for qualifications as such (thank fcuk) but an aptitude test was done and then interview carried out. Was a strange one that Shorts,  N.I Electricity, Mackies (though it was on the main when I started out) and Harland's all used the same test to weed out the real thick ones.

Going back to my Da's time he told me that there was no chance that they would have got in so they all stuck to the trades (Belfast areas), bricklaying, joinery, plumbers, and sparks. This was the reason why there was such a push by most parents, who pushed their kids in education so that they didn't have to do the labour they had to do.

Still a lot of manufacturing jobs in East Belfast, Shorts would have 8000 workers I'd say and while the vast majority would be Prods, there is a serious amount of catholics working there now compared to before. As said a lot of parents pushed kids into education or the labour trades so there wasn't a large amount of catholics taking up manufacturing/engineering trades. Having delivered engineering for the past 11 years I have certainly seen an up turn in that though.

The other thing I have noticed though a serious amount of kids leaving school, on both sides that I have had in class, struggle with reading and writting, and doing basic math.

Harland's still going and Scirroco still going, albeit a lot less workers

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

http://www.dfpni.gov.uk/nimdm-table-1.pdf

As per the last government study 2010 listed above the vast majority of most deprived areas in NI are still within urban and most nationalist areas of Derry City and Belfast

[DoYerJob Linesman]

I listened to Alistair McDowell eloquently outline this very problem on the radio pre Christmas.  He made the point that, historically, young men from the loyalist strongholds of East Belfast were guaranteed employment through the shipyards, Shorts etc.  This held true from generation to generation.

Education, or rather, the need for education, was almost deemed unnecessary by people in this community as they could live relatively comfortable existences without it.  The result was therefore generation after generation of uneducated families.

In contrast, Catholic families recognised that education was their only way out of the situation they were finding themselves in i.e lack of opportunity / employment.

Now that these employment staples have collapsed in East Belfast, we find a swath of people with no education, no purpose, no drive to achieve.  Their whole sense of self is wrapped up in their now outdated loyalist beliefs.  A quick read through the Facebook page of the protest organisers is frankly disturbing.  The lack of spelling and grammar is one thing, but the total inability to grasp what exactly they are protesting about is another.

These are depressing times.  I believe that these neanderthals are oblivious to any sense of reasoning or logic due to their apparent lack of any sort of education.  Even some of the people who are being wheeled out to speak on their behalf are embasassingly inept.  Did anyone see that Wayne Gilmore guy?  A 17 year old stuttering, gibbbering, incoherent fool.

So what now?  I really don't know.  I would really love to see the overwhelming majority of people in the north begin to voice their disgust at what is happening more loudly.  These "protesters" represent a very small part of the population up here.

And in the long term, I do believe that education of youngsters in these back waters is the only way to break the cycle.  Unfortunately though, this will take generations.

[Minder]

I read something not that long ago that the supposed protestant educational under achievement isn't as pronounced as you would think, compared to catholics. I think it was by a blogger on Slugger. I will have to see if I can find it. It is just used as an excuse to try and get money pumped into these areas.

[Milltown Row2]

I listened to Alistair McDowell eloquently outline this very problem on the radio pre Christmas.  He made the point that, historically, young men from the loyalist strongholds of East Belfast were guaranteed employment through the shipyards, Shorts etc.  This held true from generation to generation.

Education, or rather, the need for education, was almost deemed unnecessary by people in this community as they could live relatively comfortable existences without it.  The result was therefore generation after generation of uneducated families.

In contrast, Catholic families recognised that education was their only way out of the situation they were finding themselves in i.e lack of opportunity / employment.

Now that these employment staples have collapsed in East Belfast, we find a swath of people with no education, no purpose, no drive to achieve.  Their whole sense of self is wrapped up in their now outdated loyalist beliefs.  A quick read through the Facebook page of the protest organisers is frankly disturbing.  The lack of spelling and grammar is one thing, but the total inability to grasp what exactly they are protesting about is another.

These are depressing times.  I believe that these neanderthals are oblivious to any sense of reasoning or logic due to their apparent lack of any sort of education.  Even some of the people who are being wheeled out to speak on their behalf are embasassingly inept.  Did anyone see that Wayne Gilmore guy?  A 17 year old stuttering, gibbbering, incoherent fool.

So what now?  I really don't know.  I would really love to see the overwhelming majority of people in the north begin to voice their disgust at what is happening more loudly.  These "protesters" represent a very small part of the population up here.

And in the long term, I do believe that education of youngsters in these back waters is the only way to break the cycle.  Unfortunately though, this will take generations.

And you could do that with a lot of my posts also

There are plenty of these kids on our own streets, I teach post secondary, it would embarrass you. Now Shorts will only take on the best qualified apprentices, most of them are usually high achievers at A levels

[armaghniac]

I believe that these neanderthals are oblivious to any sense of reasoning or logic due to their apparent lack of any sort of education.

The likes of Dodds or McCausland are well educated, but have no ignoring both reasoning and logic.

[imtommygunn]

Listening to reason has nothing to do with education- a reasonable person would listen to reason.

East belfast probably isn't the best area in the world but you could say the same for the north or the west. There are worryingly high suicide rates in both areas. There is no talk about that but just about east belfast.

I still don't feel any of this is about culture erosion or oppressed areas. The unionist politicians used it to screw alliance and created a monster. This monster allowed loyalist paramilitaries to wade in and now it is clear for us all to see that the politicians, including the pup, hold absolutely no weight with these guys. It has also created room for people who are essentially nobodies, i.e. bryson and fraser, to try and pounce on an opportunity. It has all became quite sinister and any reasonable person would not be near those protests hence the behaviour of people with old people etc illustrating mainly, probably entirely, scumbags partake.

Another issue is how easily people, particularly youths, are led. A lot of these protests seem well coordinated however social networking has bumped the numbers up greatly. The psni did not act quickly enough. On these.

At the end of the day we all have the same access to education. It is your own responsibilty, with the help of your family, to make what you can of it. I have always worked on the basis that you get nothing unless you work for it. That seems to be the opposite with a lot of these guys though.