Roscommon v Tyrone AI Round 2 Qualifier

[ross matt]

The Armagh result was at least as significant as almost anything that happened under Fergie, beating a D1 team in the championship after suffering a bad defeat. Only the 2010 Connacht final would eclipse it and that had as much to do with it being the Connacht final as it had to do with Sligo. Beating Armagh changes the complexion of the year significant, we now have a big win over a good team outside the province (something Sligo and Galway have been searching for for many years) and we've blooded in some wonderfully-talented u21s since the year began. It was never going to be a smooth path when you're both introducing new players, new coaches and new systems but everyone seems to be learning together now.

Newton holding the players out on the field for a few minutes after the first half of the Armagh game and them then responding as they did is as good a sign as you're likely to get that respect is developing between player and coach. Newton isn't some outside manager in for a plump expenses account; he's someone who was part of the 1980 AI final team and has represented his county with as much distinction as any player, he's in this solely for his county.

Crowding the midfield with Donie, putting a sweeper outside Clarke and deep ball to Compton and Kilbride proved smart tactical choices. We have to remember this is his first year in inter-county management and he's learning the ropes just as the young players are. If we turn up against Tyrone as limp as we did against Galway then of course questions will be asked but that seems a very remote possibility to me.

Des was part of the 90/91 connacht winning side.  Certainly was'nt part of the 1980 team. Am very familiar with his playing career and never questioned his commitment to his county or suggested he was on a plump expenses account. His ability to manage at this level is what I questioned but saturday will hopefully tell us more and prove my doubts to be unfounded.

[Syferus]

The Armagh result was at least as significant as almost anything that happened under Fergie, beating a D1 team in the championship after suffering a bad defeat. Only the 2010 Connacht final would eclipse it and that had as much to do with it being the Connacht final as it had to do with Sligo. Beating Armagh changes the complexion of the year significant, we now have a big win over a good team outside the province (something Sligo and Galway have been searching for for many years) and we've blooded in some wonderfully-talented u21s since the year began. It was never going to be a smooth path when you're both introducing new players, new coaches and new systems but everyone seems to be learning together now.

Newton holding the players out on the field for a few minutes after the first half of the Armagh game and them then responding as they did is as good a sign as you're likely to get that respect is developing between player and coach. Newton isn't some outside manager in for a plump expenses account; he's someone who was part of the 1980 AI final team and has represented his county with as much distinction as any player, he's in this solely for his county.

Crowding the midfield with Donie, putting a sweeper outside Clarke and deep ball to Compton and Kilbride proved smart tactical choices. We have to remember this is his first year in inter-county management and he's learning the ropes just as the young players are. If we turn up against Tyrone as limp as we did against Galway then of course questions will be asked but that seems a very remote possibility to me.

Des was part of the 90/91 connacht winning side.  Certainly was'nt part of the 1980 team. Am very familiar with his playing career and never questioned his commitment to his county or suggested he was on a plump expenses account. His ability to manage at this level is what I questioned but saturday will hopefully tell us more and prove my doubts to be unfounded.

Think I'm confusing him with Sean Kilbride, another two county Rossie. I think he was injured during the 1980 season after a few successful years on the panel.

I never ment that you were implying those things about Newton, just that we could have ended up with someone alot less dedication to the cause. Barring collapse on Saturday he's now got the breathing space of an off -season to look forward to and plenty of players at his disposal to mould. Few Roscommon managers over the years have had more talent to work with.

[Rossfan]

Newton holding the players out on the field for a few minutes after the first half of the Armagh game and them then responding as they did is as good a sign as you're likely to get that respect is developing between player and coach.

Presumably they were also doing what he told them in the frist half and v Galway right through the game ?

I heard that the reason Des, Gilroy and another manager or two held their players back that day was some request from Croke Pk for one team to stay back to avoid tunnel incidents.

Like Matt I sincerely  hope I'm proved wrong about my doubts about Des' Inter Co Management abilities beginning next Saturday.

[Syferus]

Newton holding the players out on the field for a few minutes after the first half of the Armagh game and them then responding as they did is as good a sign as you're likely to get that respect is developing between player and coach.

Presumably they were also doing what he told them in the frist half and v Galway right through the game ?

I heard that the reason Des, Gilroy and another manager or two held their players back that day was some request from Croke Pk for one team to stay back to avoid tunnel incidents.

Like Matt I sincerely  hope I'm proved wrong about my doubts about Des' Inter Co Management abilities beginning next Saturday.

I know someone who had a great view of it and Des' hands were flying all over the place, he was definitely trying to get them in gear. Gilroy is an apt compassion for other reasons, too. Both came into inter-county management raw, but if you've got someone who's willing to learn it can prove to be better than one with alot of experience. Some days it doesn't work at all (Galway), particularly for new coaches trying to change the way a team plays, but he was able to take a very tough situation and turn it into our biggest victory (in terms of purely the team) in nine years. if we're going to credit the players we need to make sure not to be myopic and give the management their due.

Des already proved you wrong last Sunday week, it's all about stringing two games together now.

[Fuzzman]

Just back at work today after our 4th kid was born.
Still don't have a name for him but someone here in work in Dublin suggested I call him Tyrone
Now why didn't I think of that.

Not much Tyrone lads posted of late. Are we worried what's ahead of us
Is it likely Justy will come back?
What about PJ?

[moysider]

Just back at work today after our 4th kid was born.
Still don't have a name for him but someone here in work in Dublin suggested I call him Tyrone
Now why didn't I think of that.

Not much Tyrone lads posted of late. Are we worried what's ahead of us
Is it likely Justy will come back?
What about PJ?

Congratulations on your new addition. Always a joy.

Tyrone Fuzzman does have a ring to it I suppose.

[ross matt]

Just back at work today after our 4th kid was born.Still don't have a name for him but someone here in work in Dublin suggested I call him Tyrone
Now why didn't I think of that.

Not much Tyrone lads posted of late. Are we worried what's ahead of us
Is it likely Justy will come back?
What about PJ?

Congrats. Number 4?
You wont have time for going to football matches!

[omagh_gael]

Congrats Fuzz, i'v two under 16 months myself. Fairly puts the brakes on heading round the country watching football! In relation to your injury queries, I read in the paper that Justy and McCarron are back in full training and could see some game time on Saturday. Don't think PJ is ready and McNabb is still touch and go.

[Rossfan]

Des already proved you wrong last Sunday week,

That's very much a minority viewpoint round the County. It was the players upping their efforts which turned it around in most followers' opinion.
If Des suddenly saw the light at half time and dispensed with the daft tactics he'd been running with all year up to that then fair play to him.
Anyway to Saturday - we've named the 15 that started v Armagh . I expect 2 or 3 changes to that line up to  be announced before throw in 

[Syferus]

Des already proved you wrong last Sunday week,

That's very much a minority viewpoint round the County. It was the players upping their efforts which turned it around in most followers' opinion.
If Des suddenly saw the light at half time and dispensed with the daft tactics he'd been running with all year up to that then fair play to him.
Anyway to Saturday - we've named the 15 that started v Armagh . I expect 2 or 3 changes to that line up to  be announced before throw in 

I didn't know that you did a straw poll around the county! I have it from the horse's mouth that the half-time work was instrumental in the comeback.

I do imagine it's another dummy line-up but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Kilroy is the only change from the named team.

[Mayo Mick]

I have it from the horse's mouth that the half-time work was instrumental in the come-back.

I never met an honest horse yet - wouldn't believe anything they say. Bull shitters all of them!!!

[norabeag]

I have it from the horse's mouth that the half-time work was instrumental in the come-back.

I never met an honest horse yet - wouldn't believe anything they say. Bull shitters all of them!!!

Thats horse shit and you know it, Mick

[omagh_gael]

There's neigh need for that language lads! 

[TY14ED]

1 Pascal McConnell – An Baile Nua
2 Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3 Conor Clarke – An Omaigh
4 Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
5 Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
6 Conor Gormley – An Charraig Mhór
7 Sean O'Neill – An Droim Mhór
8 Joe McMahon – An Omaigh
9 Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
10 Mattie Donnelly – Trí Leac
11 Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
12 Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
13 Martin Penrose – Achadh Uí Aráin
14 Stephen O'Neill – Clann na nGael
15 Owen Mulligan – An Chorra Chríochach

16 John Devine – Aireagal Chiaráin
17 Aidan Cassidy- Eochar
18 David Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
19 Damian McCaul – Domhnach Mór
20 Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
21 Brian McGuigan – Árd Bó
22 Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór
23 Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
24 Ryan McMenamin – An Droim Mhór
25 Patrick McNiece – Oileán a'Ghuail
26 Jonathan Lafferty – Urnaí

[Captain Obvious]

Should be interesting to see how Roscommon handle six scoring forwards instead of one.