Roscommon v Tyrone AI Round 2 Qualifier

[LeoMc]

This may be covered on the Rossie v Armagh thread but I can't be bothered reading though it*. For someone who hasn't been near Hyde park in years where would ye get a decent pint within walking distance of the ground?

*even though any pre-match optimism from the apple munchers (when read in their slow drawl) may provide a bit of schadenfreude

Anybody?

[neilthemac]

This may be covered on the Rossie v Armagh thread but I can't be bothered reading though it*. For someone who hasn't been near Hyde park in years where would ye get a decent pint within walking distance of the ground?

*even though any pre-match optimism from the apple munchers (when read in their slow drawl) may provide a bit of schadenfreude

Anybody?

Foxes.
Closest pub to the ground.

[IolarCoisCuain]

Seamus Hayden has a nice little bar in Roscommon town.

[neilthemac]

that would be 'Down the Hatch'. nice pub
on church street.

[LeoMc]

that would be 'Down the Hatch'. nice pub
on church street.

Cheers.

[Rossfan]

Virtaully every pub in Ros Town is a 10 -15 min walk to the Hyde.
As I'm always driving and often with kids I haven't had a pint before or after a game in the Hyde in years.

[KIDDO 4]

Croke Park have confirmed that Tyrone VRoscommon  will go ahead as scheduled , Sat next 2pm DrHydePark .

[moysider]

Great weekend s football for Roscommon folk with 3 teams to support. Roscommon seniors and Minors and Sligo in the Connacht final.

[ross matt]

Was it Gormley Donie Shine tortured in the first half last year?

Think Gormley was on Kilbride.

[neilthemac]

my abiding memory of that Ros v Tyrone game last year was the constant fouling by Tyrone
and the constant lying on the ground of Tyrone players if Ros scored a point or two

or maybe I'm wrong

[Syferus]

Was it Gormley Donie Shine tortured in the first half last year?

Think Gormley was on Kilbride.

Senan had a great day too, and that was two weeks after seriously injuring his shoulder in the Connacht final. He had to take a painkilling injection just to play against Tyrone. I think sometimes we can be fooled by his lazy style (not physically, but the way he actually moves) but he gives as much as anyone to the cause.

[ross matt]

Was it Gormley Donie Shine tortured in the first half last year?

Think Gormley was on Kilbride.

Senan had a great day too, and that was two weeks after seriously injuring his shoulder in the Connacht final. He had to take a painkilling injection just to play against Tyrone. I think sometimes we can be fooled by his lazy style (not physically, but the way he actually moves) but he gives as much as anyone to the cause.

Kilbride, Shine & Cregg all had excellent games in what was a very open match for most of the contest. I just think we were much further on last year than where we are now despite the victory over Armagh but I hope to God I'm wrong. Tyrone without Cavanagh are probably not as good as they were either in 2011 plus the Hyde venue will prevent them from running amock in the last 20 minutes like they did in Croker when both sides last met. It should be close enough but I think we might come up short. Even if we do a decent competitive performance is required.

[Syferus]

Was it Gormley Donie Shine tortured in the first half last year?

Think Gormley was on Kilbride.

Senan had a great day too, and that was two weeks after seriously injuring his shoulder in the Connacht final. He had to take a painkilling injection just to play against Tyrone. I think sometimes we can be fooled by his lazy style (not physically, but the way he actually moves) but he gives as much as anyone to the cause.

Kilbride, Shine & Cregg all had excellent games in what was a very open match for most of the contest. I just think we were much further on last year than where we are now despite the victory over Armagh but I hope to God I'm wrong. Tyrone without Cavanagh are probably not as good as they were either in 2011 plus the Hyde venue will prevent them from running amock in the last 20 minutes like they did in Croker when both sides last met. It should be close enough but I think we might come up short. Even if we do a decent competitive performance is required.

I think we've a better panel now, actually. The addition of Collins, Compton, Cathal Shine, Daly and Darren Mc (I know they both featured against Tyrone but it's only this year they've come into their own) have more than made up for O'Gara and Keenan (and couple more less-likely-to-start absentees). If anything the last two months have brought those players on in reams by having more opportunities. More broadly I think we'll have one hell of a panel to choose from next year with most of those back, O'Grady fit again and other u21 players with bags of talent who are on holidays (Brogan, Cafferky, Murray) available for selection.

We've had rocky moments this year but the players really bought into what Newton was saying at half-time the last day and if that's the case the process will have been worth it. He's been introducing new systems and generally tinkering with the chess board that has always been missing plenty of pieces. They happened upon something extremely effective the last day and if it can be replicated we've every chance.

Tyrone are missing Brian Dooher, Philip Jordan, Enda McGinley and Kevin Hughes from retirement and then (perhaps most tantalisingly) Sean Kavanagh, Tommy Mcguigan and Kyle Coney with injuries since we last met, and even then two of their most impactful subs the last day, O'Neill and Mulligan, will be starting rather than turning the screw from the bench. Justin McMahon is only returning from injury on Saturday. Tyrone are still a fine side, probably in the top five or so in the country, but at home and with last year's experience there should be little fear. The day is going to come where we have to make that irreversible step up, the day when the bright future becomes the here and now. There's little to stop Saturday being that day.

[ross matt]

Was it Gormley Donie Shine tortured in the first half last year?

Think Gormley was on Kilbride.

Senan had a great day too, and that was two weeks after seriously injuring his shoulder in the Connacht final. He had to take a painkilling injection just to play against Tyrone. I think sometimes we can be fooled by his lazy style (not physically, but the way he actually moves) but he gives as much as anyone to the cause.

Kilbride, Shine & Cregg all had excellent games in what was a very open match for most of the contest. I just think we were much further on last year than where we are now despite the victory over Armagh but I hope to God I'm wrong. Tyrone without Cavanagh are probably not as good as they were either in 2011 plus the Hyde venue will prevent them from running amock in the last 20 minutes like they did in Croker when both sides last met. It should be close enough but I think we might come up short. Even if we do a decent competitive performance is required.

I think we've a better panel now, actually. The addition of Collins, Compton, Cathal Shine, Daly and Darren Mc (I know they both featured against Tyrone but it's only this year they've come into their own) have more than made up for O'Gara and Keenan (and couple more less-likely-to-start absentees). If anything the last two months have brought those players on in reams by having more opportunities. More broadly I think we'll have one hell of a panel to choose from next year with most of those back, O'Grady fit again and other u21 players with bags of talent who are on holidays (Brogan, Cafferky, Murray) available for selection.

We've had rocky moments this year but the players really bought into what Newton was saying at half-time the last day and if that's the case the process will have been worth it. He's been introducing new systems and generally tinkering with the chess board that has always been missing plenty of pieces. They happened upon something extremely effective the last day and if it can be replicated we've every chance.

Tyrone are missing Brian Dooher, Philip Jordan, Enda McGinley and Kevin Hughes from retirement and then (perhaps most tantalisingly) Sean Kavanagh, Tommy Mcguigan and Kyle Coney with injuries since we last met, and even then two of their most impactful subs the last day, O'Neill and Mulligan, will be starting rather than turning the screw from the bench. Justin McMahon is only returning from injury on Saturday. Tyrone are still a fine side, probably in the top five or so in the country, but at home and with last year's experience there should be little fear. The day is going to come where we have to make that irreversible step up, the day when the bright future becomes the here and now. There's little to stop Saturday being that day.

Do you credit Newton for that 2nd half revival or was it more a case of the players getting stuck in themselves against a travelling Armagh side who probably thought they had the game won?
Newton had a poor league and a disasterous match v an average Galway side that under Fergie last year they surely would have beaten. I just cant see where he is going tactically. I think a great opportunity to build on the last few years has been missed this season.
I agree with you re the incoming players from the successful underage set ups. But I'm not sure that they will flourish under the present management.  Overall things have been and are going in the right direction with Roscommon football but it needs to be managed properly. However you and the other Rossie posters here are alot nearer to the scene than I am so I sincerely hope your optimism for saturday will be vindicated.

[Syferus]

The Armagh result was at least as significant as almost anything that happened under Fergie, beating a D1 team in the championship after suffering a bad defeat. Only the 2010 Connacht final would eclipse it and that had as much to do with it being the Connacht final as it had to do with Sligo. Beating Armagh changes the complexion of the year significant, we now have a big win over a good team outside the province (something Sligo and Galway have been searching for for many years) and we've blooded in some wonderfully-talented u21s since the year began. It was never going to be a smooth path when you're both introducing new players, new coaches and new systems but everyone seems to be learning together now.

Newton holding the players out on the field for a few minutes after the first half of the Armagh game and them then responding as they did is as good a sign as you're likely to get that respect is developing between player and coach. Newton isn't some outside manager in for a plump expenses account; he's someone who was part of the 1980 AI final team and has represented his county with as much distinction as any player, he's in this solely for his county.

Crowding the midfield with Donie, putting a sweeper outside Clarke and deep ball to Compton and Kilbride proved smart tactical choices. We have to remember this is his first year in inter-county management and he's learning the ropes just as the young players are. If we turn up against Tyrone as limp as we did against Galway then of course questions will be asked but that seems a very remote possibility to me.