DJ Carey

[johnnycool]

He's a greedy **** who got caught out and he's got off lightly so far.

I grew up idolising the man. Still do to an extent. Will happily throw down with any clearly incorrect tosspot who continues to insist that Brian Whelahan was better and deserved to be on the Team of the Millennium ahead of him.

But he's a disgrace. DJ did rightly from "being DJ Carey" in his playing days. Think he got a bit too fond of the life of celebrity and its trappings.

When the Millennium team was picked in 1999 there had been a growing suspicion that Carey was a player who could rack up scores against weaker teams in less consequential matches, but didn't deliver in tight, crunch matches.

It wasn't without foundation either, he'd been just held scoreless from play in both the 1998 and 1999 All Ireland finals when Kilkenny lost narrowly. 

I don't buy into any notion that Carey toiled in an era of Kilkenny being weak. He had played in 5 All Ireland finals by that stage. That's the usual excuse trotted by hurling superpowers to deflect credit away from non-traditional counties having success. Wexford and Offaly had the upper hand on Kilkenny at various times in the mid-90s, but there was never much in it. Why doesn't TJ Reid warrant the same boosterism since Kilkenny haven't won one in 10 years?

I don't believe it should have been an either/or with Whelahan either. They were two different players. But if we were to compare, Whelahan consistently delivered the big performances in big matches. Invariably Man-of-the match in the 6 All Irelands he won with Birr and Offaly. 
Most memorably in 1998, having woken up with the flu, and out of sorts in defence and had to be moved up into the forwards. There he scored 1-3 from play and won the game for Offaly. Meanwhile Carey drew a blank, including blazing a penalty over the bar with the game in the balance.

I should caveat my "weakness" statement in that his prime was prior to the all conquering Kilkenny of the Brian Cody era and you are right, they were competitive for a good few years during his career, but he and that team managed to get beat by Down in Nowlan park and relegated to Div2 and that was when there were 12 teams in Div1...

That's not to say Offaly didn't have good teams during that period and only won because Kilkenny were poor, that's not my intent.

As for the POTY, All star, millennium team nonsense, it used to be picked by Journalists who had their own wee darlings to promote and might well still be the case.

[Lamps]

When the Millennium team was picked in 1999 there had been a growing suspicion that Carey was a player who could rack up scores against weaker teams in less consequential matches, but didn't deliver in tight, crunch matches.

It wasn't without foundation either, he'd been just held scoreless from play in both the 1998 and 1999 All Ireland finals when Kilkenny lost narrowly. 

1999 All Ireland Final vs Cork - DJ scored 0-0
2003 All Ireland Final vs Cork - DJ scored 0-0
2004 All Ireland Final vs Cork - DJ scored 0-0

I think we're seeing a trend my friends.
How would DJ have gotten on if Kilkenny had to play in Munster Championship during his career?

[Lamps]

I remember there was a thing that he couldn't produce the goods in an All Ireland final then one I was at he goaled and had a great game and the Kilkenny crowd chanted DJ DJ.. around the turn of the Century. Also another AI final scored that magnificent point with the sliotar on the end of the hurl and wheeled around to strike it over 50/60 yards at Canal End.

Check out who the opposition were and how one-sided the matches were. It's easy run up score in these situations. He was piss poor when the chips were down against a better class of opposition.

[Milltown Row2]

I remember there was a thing that he couldn't produce the goods in an All Ireland final then one I was at he goaled and had a great game and the Kilkenny crowd chanted DJ DJ.. around the turn of the Century. Also another AI final scored that magnificent point with the sliotar on the end of the hurl and wheeled around to strike it over 50/60 yards at Canal End.

Check out who the opposition were and how one-sided the matches were. It's easy run up score in these situations. He was piss poor when the chips were down against a better class of opposition.

As much as I want him to be ripped apart the guy wasn't piss poor.

You're being stupid now

[Truthsayer]

I remember there was a thing that he couldn't produce the goods in an All Ireland final then one I was at he goaled and had a great game and the Kilkenny crowd chanted DJ DJ.. around the turn of the Century. Also another AI final scored that magnificent point with the sliotar on the end of the hurl and wheeled around to strike it over 50/60 yards at Canal End.

Check out who the opposition were and how one-sided the matches were. It's easy run up score in these situations. He was piss poor when the chips were down against a better class of opposition.

Brolly said same of Gooch. DJ wasn't piss poor.. 9 All Stars confirms that.

[Lamps]

I remember there was a thing that he couldn't produce the goods in an All Ireland final then one I was at he goaled and had a great game and the Kilkenny crowd chanted DJ DJ.. around the turn of the Century. Also another AI final scored that magnificent point with the sliotar on the end of the hurl and wheeled around to strike it over 50/60 yards at Canal End.

Check out who the opposition were and how one-sided the matches were. It's easy run up score in these situations. He was piss poor when the chips were down against a better class of opposition.

As much as I want him to be ripped apart the guy wasn't piss poor.

You're being stupid now

I gave examples of 3 All Irelands against Cork where he didn't score and he definitely wasn't laying on scores for other players.
He didn't match his reputation. Probably not his fault he was being over hyped.

[Lamps]

I remember there was a thing that he couldn't produce the goods in an All Ireland final then one I was at he goaled and had a great game and the Kilkenny crowd chanted DJ DJ.. around the turn of the Century. Also another AI final scored that magnificent point with the sliotar on the end of the hurl and wheeled around to strike it over 50/60 yards at Canal End.

Check out who the opposition were and how one-sided the matches were. It's easy run up score in these situations. He was piss poor when the chips were down against a better class of opposition.

Brolly said same of Gooch. DJ wasn't piss poor.. 9 All Stars confirms that.

He was piss poor in All Irelands where Kilkenny needed a performance out of him in a tight game.

[Truthsayer]

When the Millennium team was picked in 1999 there had been a growing suspicion that Carey was a player who could rack up scores against weaker teams in less consequential matches, but didn't deliver in tight, crunch matches.

It wasn't without foundation either, he'd been just held scoreless from play in both the 1998 and 1999 All Ireland finals when Kilkenny lost narrowly. 

1999 All Ireland Final vs Cork - DJ scored 0-0
2003 All Ireland Final vs Cork - DJ scored 0-0
2004 All Ireland Final vs Cork - DJ scored 0-0

I think we're seeing a trend my friends.
How would DJ have gotten on if Kilkenny had to play in Munster Championship during his career?

We're in the realms of Eamonn Dunphy '86: "Maradonna is not a good footballer" or Brolly slagging off Gooch...
I had the misfortune to be at the '99 All Ireland final pissing rain 0-13 to 0-12 (HT 5-4).. who did play well?!
2003 captained Kilkenny to win the All Ireland.. not bad.
2004.. had a poor day as did the rest of the team 9pts in total.
2000 final: Man of the Match...
5 All Ireland medals (three against Munster opposition... no doubt has beat Munster sides in earlier rounds), nine All Stars, Hurler of the Year awards.. watever about his criminal activities it is some revisionism to suggest he wasn't a great hurler!

[Lamps]

When the Millennium team was picked in 1999 there had been a growing suspicion that Carey was a player who could rack up scores against weaker teams in less consequential matches, but didn't deliver in tight, crunch matches.

It wasn't without foundation either, he'd been just held scoreless from play in both the 1998 and 1999 All Ireland finals when Kilkenny lost narrowly. 

1999 All Ireland Final vs Cork - DJ scored 0-0
2003 All Ireland Final vs Cork - DJ scored 0-0
2004 All Ireland Final vs Cork - DJ scored 0-0

I think we're seeing a trend my friends.
How would DJ have gotten on if Kilkenny had to play in Munster Championship during his career?

We're in the realms of Eamonn Dunphy '86: "Maradonna is not a good footballer" or Brolly slagging off Gooch...
I had the misfortune to be at the '99 All Ireland final pissing rain 0-13 to 0-12 (HT 5-4).. who did play well?!
2003 captained Kilkenny to win the All Ireland.. not bad.
2004.. had a poor day as did the rest of the team 9pts in total.
2000 final: Man of the Match...
5 All Ireland medals (three against Munster opposition... no doubt has beat Munster sides in earlier rounds), nine All Stars, Hurler of the Year awards.. watever about his criminal activities it is some revisionism to suggest he wasn't a great hurler!

Ara, now we're giving a lad points for captaining a team and ignoring his no-show in the same final. He was captain because he was nominated by the county champions. Mark Landers must be an all time great too!

Brian Corcoran certainly played well in the 1999 final and always showed up for the big days.
No one is saying that DJ wasn't an excellent and skilful hurler, but all time greats need to be turning it on in the most important matches.

[Truthsayer]

When the Millennium team was picked in 1999 there had been a growing suspicion that Carey was a player who could rack up scores against weaker teams in less consequential matches, but didn't deliver in tight, crunch matches.

It wasn't without foundation either, he'd been just held scoreless from play in both the 1998 and 1999 All Ireland finals when Kilkenny lost narrowly. 

1999 All Ireland Final vs Cork - DJ scored 0-0
2003 All Ireland Final vs Cork - DJ scored 0-0
2004 All Ireland Final vs Cork - DJ scored 0-0

I think we're seeing a trend my friends.
How would DJ have gotten on if Kilkenny had to play in Munster Championship during his career?

We're in the realms of Eamonn Dunphy '86: "Maradonna is not a good footballer" or Brolly slagging off Gooch...
I had the misfortune to be at the '99 All Ireland final pissing rain 0-13 to 0-12 (HT 5-4).. who did play well?!
2003 captained Kilkenny to win the All Ireland.. not bad.
2004.. had a poor day as did the rest of the team 9pts in total.
2000 final: Man of the Match...
5 All Ireland medals (three against Munster opposition... no doubt has beat Munster sides in earlier rounds), nine All Stars, Hurler of the Year awards.. watever about his criminal activities it is some revisionism to suggest he wasn't a great hurler!

Ara, now we're giving a lad points for captaining a team and ignoring his no-show in the same final. He was captain because he was nominated by the county champions. Mark Landers must be an all time great too!

Brian Corcoran certainly played well in the 1999 final and always showed up for the big days.
No one is saying that DJ wasn't an excellent and skilful hurler, but all time greats need to be turning it on in the most important matches.

Ara! would you stop! The player with the second highest amount of All Star awards ever is not an all time great? Youve moved your argument from games against Munster opposition to a rainy day in Dublin.
Captaining your county to an All Ireland is the ultimate.. doesn't make him a great but putting all his career together is a huge achievement.
You're talking through your hat aul han..

[Lamps]

I've given you 3 All Ireland finals against one of Kilkenny's biggest rivals where he didn't show up.
That's the elephant in the room for Carey.

[Truthsayer]

I've given you 3 All Ireland finals against one of Kilkenny's biggest rivals where he didn't show up.
That's the elephant in the room for Carey.

That's the elephant in the room for you, not Carey. You desperately conjure up three games, one were he was All Ireland winning captain, while ignoring his overall career. In Honours category they should add:  Three games that didn't impress Lamps:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._J._Carey

[Baile Brigín 2]

I've given you 3 All Ireland finals against one of Kilkenny's biggest rivals where he didn't show up.
That's the elephant in the room for Carey.

This does read like 'I always said he was shite' despite never actually saying it

[Lamps]

I've given you 3 All Ireland finals against one of Kilkenny's biggest rivals where he didn't show up.
That's the elephant in the room for Carey.

That's the elephant in the room for you, not Carey. You desperately conjure up three games, one were he was All Ireland winning captain, while ignoring his overall career. In Honours category they should add:  Three games that didn't impress Lamps:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._J._Carey

Seriously, what does captaining a team have to do with it? He was elected captain by his own club.
He failed to score in the final. A decision made by club months before that doesn't cover that up.

[Lamps]

I've given you 3 All Ireland finals against one of Kilkenny's biggest rivals where he didn't show up.
That's the elephant in the room for Carey.

That's the elephant in the room for you, not Carey. You desperately conjure up three games, one were he was All Ireland winning captain, while ignoring his overall career. In Honours category they should add:  Three games that didn't impress Lamps:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._J._Carey

Seriously, what does captaining a team have to do with it? He was elected captain by his own club.
He failed to score in the final. A decision made by club months before that doesn't cover that up.

I've given you 3 All Ireland finals against one of Kilkenny's biggest rivals where he didn't show up.
That's the elephant in the room for Carey.

This does read like 'I always said he was shite' despite never actually saying it

I've never claimed he was shite. He just didn't do it in many crunch games.
Colin Montgomerie wasn't a shite golfer, he just didn't have what's needed to win a major.