Val Andrews steps down

[mylestheslasher]

That incident above suprises me because to do that would mean the manager recognised an opposing player was a problem and tried to do something about it (all be it a cynical act). I don't think we have seen anything like that in Cavan in the past 2 years, the opposite actually.

[INDIANA]

I must say Val was very dignified throughout all the Seanie nonsense.
Best of luck to him, seems like a decent chap.

He is a decent chap and his name is being dragged through the mud by a bunch of nobody county players that wouldn't be happy with a combo of Kevin Heffernan and Mick O Dwyer in their heyday managing them. Its why Cavan people are supporting their 21's and wont bother going to watch their seniors.

With the two u21 ulster titles and a minor title - cavan have a good chance of going out of the mire in a couple of years. I wouldnt waste the time getting the likes of Johnstone back.

[Syferus]

I must say Val was very dignified throughout all the Seanie nonsense.
Best of luck to him, seems like a decent chap.

He is a decent chap and his name is being dragged through the mud by a bunch of nobody county players that wouldn't be happy with a combo of Kevin Heffernan and Mick O Dwyer in their heyday managing them. Its why Cavan people are supporting their 21's and wont bother going to watch their seniors.

With the two u21 ulster titles and a minor title - cavan have a good chance of going out of the mire in a couple of years. I wouldnt waste the time getting the likes of Johnstone back.

The overlap is huge, if you're attacking the senior players you're attacking most of the u21s of the past couple years too.

[mylestheslasher]

Indiana - the only people who want johnson back are some cavan gaels folk. The vast majority are sick of hearing about him. You should also note that quite a lot if this team are young lads, not the old crew. If there was a mutiny it was supported by all the young lads too. I was all for andrews and the policy of a clean-out but i get worried when i hear lads training is going well yet on the field performances are getting worse. I began to feel that andrews hsd lost the confidence of the players. I think he should have been let see out this season but that wasnt to be.

[ck]

Still no word here from any Cavan supporters? Anyone know what issues the players had with Andrews?

[ross4life]

You should also note that quite a lot if this team are young lads, not the old crew.If there was a mutiny it was supported by all the young lads too. I was all for andrews and the policy of a clean-out but i get worried when i hear lads training is going well yet on the field performances are getting worse. I began to feel that andrews hsd lost the confidence of the players. I think he should have been let see out this season but that wasnt to be.

The Andrews clean out would answer my question on page one. So he took a gamble & it didn't pay off.

[INDIANA]

Indiana - the only people who want johnson back are some cavan gaels folk. The vast majority are sick of hearing about him. You should also note that quite a lot if this team are young lads, not the old crew. If there was a mutiny it was supported by all the young lads too. I was all for andrews and the policy of a clean-out but i get worried when i hear lads training is going well yet on the field performances are getting worse. I began to feel that andrews hsd lost the confidence of the players. I think he should have been let see out this season but that wasnt to be.

Cavan players don't seem to accept responsibility for their own performances on the park. If the younger element were also part of the mutiny then they've been well trained in by the older brigade in the ways of being a Cavan footballer. Which is to largely blame everyone except themselves. Granted Andrews may not have been the man for the job but there is no way all these managers are wrong.

The writing is on the wall already then so for those players. A lot has been said about Meath's problems. Meath's problems are easy enough to fix. I'm not sure Cavan's are.

[Denn Forever]

INDIANA, from the Cavan Thread.  I suppose we'll find out the truth later but the following has the ring of truth about it. 

From what I am hearing there was very little player power involved in the Andrews "heave". Seems to be more he worked out that the big knobs had no faith in him and the Player Meeting fitted into the engineering around this. The Press Leak / Release and it's timing on the eve of the most important game of the year so far is really telling. So that possibly means our County Board lads have a solution lined up. It will be some craic if we go with a Wolves style approach

[cogito]

Lads with all due respect those criticising the current crop of Cavan players and tarnising them with the same brush as previous teams really are not clued in to what is going on up here. And it is unfair.

We have had a huge turnover in the past year. The bulk of our senior panel is literally our last two u21 teams with a sprinkling of older lads that were kept on. 

If there was a 'revolt' in the camp then I would presume it was for good reasons. All those younger players have put pride back in our blue jersey over the past two years, worked hard and never really caused any fuss. They were honest teams. Anytime I seen them play this year they looked flat and lost......There was never any sign of a game plan either. Maybe all these young players have gotten inflated ego's and think they now know it all but I am not convinced by that at all.

From what I believe the County Board took advantage of their young years and small bit of life experience to dump this at their door and let them take the hit for it.

I just hope to god a contingency plan is in place. I am not convinced on that either...

[tommysmith]

I must say Val was very dignified throughout all the Seanie nonsense.
Best of luck to him, seems like a decent chap.

He is a decent chap and his name is being dragged through the mud by a bunch of nobody county players that wouldn't be happy with a combo of Kevin Heffernan and Mick O Dwyer in their heyday managing them. Its why Cavan people are supporting their 21's and wont bother going to watch their seniors.

With the two u21 ulster titles and a minor title - cavan have a good chance of going out of the mire in a couple of years. I wouldnt waste the time getting the likes of Johnstone back.

He is a crap manager though and i heard he dropped a player from the Antrim game for playing to well in previous games.

yes for playing to well 

[Syferus]

I must say Val was very dignified throughout all the Seanie nonsense.
Best of luck to him, seems like a decent chap.

He is a decent chap and his name is being dragged through the mud by a bunch of nobody county players that wouldn't be happy with a combo of Kevin Heffernan and Mick O Dwyer in their heyday managing them. Its why Cavan people are supporting their 21's and wont bother going to watch their seniors.

With the two u21 ulster titles and a minor title - cavan have a good chance of going out of the mire in a couple of years. I wouldnt waste the time getting the likes of Johnstone back.

He is a crap manager though and i heard he dropped a player from the Antrim game for playing to well in previous games.

yes for playing to well 

I think the quesiton there is who you heard it from. He clearly had plenty of people out to get him.

[tommysmith]

I must say Val was very dignified throughout all the Seanie nonsense.
Best of luck to him, seems like a decent chap.

He is a decent chap and his name is being dragged through the mud by a bunch of nobody county players that wouldn't be happy with a combo of Kevin Heffernan and Mick O Dwyer in their heyday managing them. Its why Cavan people are supporting their 21's and wont bother going to watch their seniors.

With the two u21 ulster titles and a minor title - cavan have a good chance of going out of the mire in a couple of years. I wouldnt waste the time getting the likes of Johnstone back.

He is a crap manager though and i heard he dropped a player from the Antrim game for playing to well in previous games.

yes for playing to well 

I think the quesiton there is who you heard it from. He clearly had plenty of people out to get him.

Its reliable where i heard it.

[Syferus]

I must say Val was very dignified throughout all the Seanie nonsense.
Best of luck to him, seems like a decent chap.

He is a decent chap and his name is being dragged through the mud by a bunch of nobody county players that wouldn't be happy with a combo of Kevin Heffernan and Mick O Dwyer in their heyday managing them. Its why Cavan people are supporting their 21's and wont bother going to watch their seniors.

With the two u21 ulster titles and a minor title - cavan have a good chance of going out of the mire in a couple of years. I wouldnt waste the time getting the likes of Johnstone back.

He is a crap manager though and i heard he dropped a player from the Antrim game for playing to well in previous games.

yes for playing to well 

I think the quesiton there is who you heard it from. He clearly had plenty of people out to get him.

Its reliable where i heard it.

As in reliable 'it's someone on/related to someone the panel/management' or from an actual reporter or someone with no vested interest against Val Andrews? Does the later even exist?

[tommysmith]

I must say Val was very dignified throughout all the Seanie nonsense.
Best of luck to him, seems like a decent chap.

He is a decent chap and his name is being dragged through the mud by a bunch of nobody county players that wouldn't be happy with a combo of Kevin Heffernan and Mick O Dwyer in their heyday managing them. Its why Cavan people are supporting their 21's and wont bother going to watch their seniors.

With the two u21 ulster titles and a minor title - cavan have a good chance of going out of the mire in a couple of years. I wouldnt waste the time getting the likes of Johnstone back.

He is a crap manager though and i heard he dropped a player from the Antrim game for playing to well in previous games.

yes for playing to well 

I think the quesiton there is who you heard it from. He clearly had plenty of people out to get him.

Its reliable where i heard it.

As in reliable 'it's someone on/related to someone the panel/management' or from an actual reporter or someone with no vested interest against Val Andrews? Does the later even exist?

Look its reliable it came from the player who he phoned up the night before the game. 

Its like anything you can choose to  believe it or choose not to.

[Syferus]

I must say Val was very dignified throughout all the Seanie nonsense.
Best of luck to him, seems like a decent chap.

He is a decent chap and his name is being dragged through the mud by a bunch of nobody county players that wouldn't be happy with a combo of Kevin Heffernan and Mick O Dwyer in their heyday managing them. Its why Cavan people are supporting their 21's and wont bother going to watch their seniors.

With the two u21 ulster titles and a minor title - cavan have a good chance of going out of the mire in a couple of years. I wouldnt waste the time getting the likes of Johnstone back.

He is a crap manager though and i heard he dropped a player from the Antrim game for playing to well in previous games.

yes for playing to well 

I think the quesiton there is who you heard it from. He clearly had plenty of people out to get him.

Its reliable where i heard it.

As in reliable 'it's someone on/related to someone the panel/management' or from an actual reporter or someone with no vested interest against Val Andrews? Does the later even exist?

Look its reliable it came from the player who he phoned up the night before the game. 

Its like anything you can choose to  believe it or choose not to.

It's not about believing he said it, it's about what the ulterior motives of someone saying that are. I'd be very wary of something coming directly from the disgruntled player, it's probably the shakiest source possible for the full story.