Towns in Ireland named after British Imperialists

[theticklemister]

   

Charlestown used to be called Newtown-Dillon, but was renamed after Charles Strickland, an agent of Lord Dillon.

The area was known as Dillontown before the town was established.

http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irlmay/townlands/Charlestown.htm

That Lord Dillon must have owned some size of an estate, was not his home in Ireland what was once Loughglynn Convent. Local folklore has it that the morter for the estate walls was mixed with the blood of the famine dead

I take it this is the same place as the famous song 'Woodlands of Loughlynn'?

[ziggy90]

The one & only also the home of the ballad 'The One Sided Town Of Loughglynn'. Btw is Castlecaulfield still so called?

[saffron sam2]

What about towns / railway stations / sports stadia in Ireland named after Irish fools and fanatics?

Dixon Park, Ballyclare.

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Barorrny of Tyrawley, Co. Mayo. Tyrawley Terrace in Ballina.
Binghamstown, near Belmullet.

The Quay in Ballina used to be Crockets Town.

Anybody mention Boyle. Co. Roscommon?

While the British created the baronies and named their landlords after them etc. Tyrawley is actually an Anglicised version of Tír Amhlaoidh. Same with the Barony of Erris, Iorras Domhnan as Gaeilge, and the Barony of Burrishoole, Buireas Umheall. It's also interesting to note that the Barony of Clanmorris, where Claremorris takes it's modern name in Irish from is also from and there would be a few Fitzmaurices in that area still today. Don't know how the spelling variation came about however.

It was Maurice De Prendergast and not the Fitzmaurices who gave the town its name.
"Clár" is the old Irish term for a bridge and ASAIK, it refers to a particular type of structure.
It was built by laying one or more tree trunks across the river in question and roping them together if necessary.
I don't recall the location of the clar that was named after Maurice. I remember me oul' fella telling me where it was as we passed through the town one time but, as usual, I wasn't listening.

Lar you are correct, the Clar was on the Ballinrobe Road about 200 yards after Sams Pub. There are two lakes in Claremorris connected by a small river, the bridge was over this river. Prendergast is still a very common name around the Claremorris area. There are ruins of an old Norman castle on the Claremorris to Balla road about 500 yards before the Beaten Path (on a hill on the right hand side as you go to Balla) this I believe was an old Norman Castle belonging to the Prendergasts.

I think it is called Brieze Castle.

[Never beat the deeler]

Charlestown used to be called Newtown-Dillon, but was renamed after Charles Strickland, an agent of Lord Dillon.

The area was known as Dillontown before the town was established.

http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irlmay/townlands/Charlestown.htm

That Lord Dillon must have owned some size of an estate, was not his home in Ireland what was once Loughglynn Convent. Local folklore has it that the morter for the estate walls was mixed with the blood of the famine dead

From the same link:

The Dillons were a prominent family who came to Ireland around the time of the Norman invasion. They held government office and owned land in much of Connaught including 83,000 acres in Mayo. It may be of interest that in addition to serving prominently in Ireland the Dillon family served in France's well-known Irish Brigade. In fact, the name of the famous "Regiment de Dillon" is recorded on the Arc de Triomphe in Paris.

Don't know about Dillon, but Strickland seems to have been daycent:

The tenants on Lord Dillon's estate were fortunate because Strickland came to their assistance and personally labored to get food to those in need. He worked with the local Relief Committees to have resolutions passed calling on the government to set up Relief Depots in East Mayo. He purchased cargoes of Indian meal and corn and set up depots on the estate to keep the famine at bay. His efforts saved a large portion of the residents of Charlestown from starvation.

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Charlestown used to be called Newtown-Dillon, but was renamed after Charles Strickland, an agent of Lord Dillon.

The area was known as Dillontown before the town was established.

http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irlmay/townlands/Charlestown.htm

That Lord Dillon must have owned some size of an estate, was not his home in Ireland what was once Loughglynn Convent. Local folklore has it that the morter for the estate walls was mixed with the blood of the famine dead

From the same link:

The Dillons were a prominent family who came to Ireland around the time of the Norman invasion. They held government office and owned land in much of Connaught including 83,000 acres in Mayo. It may be of interest that in addition to serving prominently in Ireland the Dillon family served in France's well-known Irish Brigade. In fact, the name of the famous "Regiment de Dillon" is recorded on the Arc de Triomphe in Paris.

Don't know about Dillon, but Strickland seems to have been daycent:

The tenants on Lord Dillon's estate were fortunate because Strickland came to their assistance and personally labored to get food to those in need. He worked with the local Relief Committees to have resolutions passed calling on the government to set up Relief Depots in East Mayo. He purchased cargoes of Indian meal and corn and set up depots on the estate to keep the famine at bay. His efforts saved a large portion of the residents of Charlestown from starvation.

Is that the same Dillon who had Ballaghaderreen moved from Mayo to Roscommon?

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Charlestown used to be called Newtown-Dillon, but was renamed after Charles Strickland, an agent of Lord Dillon.

The area was known as Dillontown before the town was established.

http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irlmay/townlands/Charlestown.htm

That Lord Dillon must have owned some size of an estate, was not his home in Ireland what was once Loughglynn Convent. Local folklore has it that the morter for the estate walls was mixed with the blood of the famine dead

From the same link:

The Dillons were a prominent family who came to Ireland around the time of the Norman invasion. They held government office and owned land in much of Connaught including 83,000 acres in Mayo. It may be of interest that in addition to serving prominently in Ireland the Dillon family served in France's well-known Irish Brigade. In fact, the name of the famous "Regiment de Dillon" is recorded on the Arc de Triomphe in Paris.

Don't know about Dillon, but Strickland seems to have been daycent:

The tenants on Lord Dillon's estate were fortunate because Strickland came to their assistance and personally labored to get food to those in need. He worked with the local Relief Committees to have resolutions passed calling on the government to set up Relief Depots in East Mayo. He purchased cargoes of Indian meal and corn and set up depots on the estate to keep the famine at bay. His efforts saved a large portion of the residents of Charlestown from starvation.

Yep, he wasn't the worst of them!!

[Lar Naparka]

Barorrny of Tyrawley, Co. Mayo. Tyrawley Terrace in Ballina.
Binghamstown, near Belmullet.

The Quay in Ballina used to be Crockets Town.

Anybody mention Boyle. Co. Roscommon?

While the British created the baronies and named their landlords after them etc. Tyrawley is actually an Anglicised version of Tír Amhlaoidh. Same with the Barony of Erris, Iorras Domhnan as Gaeilge, and the Barony of Burrishoole, Buireas Umheall. It's also interesting to note that the Barony of Clanmorris, where Claremorris takes it's modern name in Irish from is also from and there would be a few Fitzmaurices in that area still today. Don't know how the spelling variation came about however.

It was Maurice De Prendergast and not the Fitzmaurices who gave the town its name.
"Clár" is the old Irish term for a bridge and ASAIK, it refers to a particular type of structure.
It was built by laying one or more tree trunks across the river in question and roping them together if necessary.
I don't recall the location of the clar that was named after Maurice. I remember me oul' fella telling me where it was as we passed through the town one time but, as usual, I wasn't listening.

Lar you are correct, the Clar was on the Ballinrobe Road about 200 yards after Sams Pub. There are two lakes in Claremorris connected by a small river, the bridge was over this river. Prendergast is still a very common name around the Claremorris area. There are ruins of an old Norman castle on the Claremorris to Balla road about 500 yards before the Beaten Path (on a hill on the right hand side as you go to Balla) this I believe was an old Norman Castle belonging to the Prendergasts.

I think it is called Brieze Castle.

Yeah, that's the one alright.
I came across the following on the castlebar.ie website.

(http://www.castlebar.ie/stories/annals.html#brize)

The History of Ancient Brize Castle
A distinctive landmark between Balla and Claremorris is Brize castle. A ruined castle is present, and the original fort here was built by the Prenderghasts, descended from Maurice de Prenderghast, a companion of the Norman 12th century baron, Richard Strongbow ( Richard FitzGilbert de Clare, earl of Pembroke.)

Prenderghast influence spread throughout the district. Their family became known as " Clann Muiris na mBri." ( The Clann Morris of Bree.) Bree rather then Brize is the older name of the district, and Bree or Bri means hill in Irish Gaelic. Bri having a resemblance to the Scottish word for hill, brae.

Both the town of Claremorris, ( Clann Morris) and the barony name Clanmorris, takes their name from them. ( A barony is an ancient territorial unit.)

During the Middle Ages larger families began to divide into smaller offshoots, and the Clann Muiris were no exception. Some of them became known as the Mac Muris or Mac Morris ( Meaning son of Morris. Mac in Irish Gaelic means 'son of'.) The Mac Morris family in turn subdivided, and offshoots included the Mac Garailts or Mac Garretts.

By the reign of Elizabeth I in the 16th century, Brize castle belonged to Walter oge Mac Morris, who was in effect the ruler of a Gaelic Lordship. By being called ' oge' ( og, Irish Gaelic for the word young) it shows how far the Anglo-Norman families had become part of the fabric of Irish society, being throughly part of the Irish culture and way of life.

I was attempting to follow up on what I had said to Farrandeelin about the De Prendergast/ Fitzmaurice connection. The Fitzmaurices he refers to are the Mac Morris sept mentioned here.

BTW, there's an old song about Clare Morris that I heard sung once or twice in the general Claremorris area.
I can only recall the first verse. It goes like this:
There's a colleen so fair andher first name is Clare.
She's the daughter of big Mickey Morris.
I'd save his oul' hay and I'd go without pay
Just to spend my nights in Clare Morris.

Anyone know the rst of it?

[LaurelEye]

So while the parish, the local senior team and the train station are known as Mostrim, the town is Edgeworthstown.

The parish was always Mostrim, and the train station is very definitely now Edgeworthstown.

We're a contrary lot for sure.

Ah, not as contrary as the Connollys or the Kaynas.

[Never beat the deeler]

CLARE MORRIS

I was walking to town with the sun going down.
My feet feeling sore from the mileage.
I was covered in sweat and my clothes were all wet,
Having spent the whole day making silage,
When a lady drove up and she came to a stop
And says she "Are you going to Claremorris?"
Well, she shouted "Get in" with a cute little grin
And she told me that she was Clare Morris.

CHORUS: She was lovely and fair, and her first name was Clare,
The daughter of big Mickey Morris;
But the gleam in her eye was the real reason why
I fell madly in love with Clare Morris.

Now her beauty was rare and I thought then and there
How lucky I was to have met her,
But I felt ill at ease in my old dungarees
And my Wellingtons often smelt better.
Oh, but she was so neat from her head to her feet.
So delightful; she looked very dishy.
She was tastefully dressed and I sure was impressed
How she handled her new Mitsubishi. CHORUS

Now I'll never forget the next time that we met.
Big Tom and his band were in Midas.
I was having a jar with the boys at the bar.
She came over and stood right beside us.
I was wearing a suit and a good dash of Brut
And considered myself quite the charmer,
So I just couldn't wait so I asked her up straight:
"Would you like to come home with a farmer?"

Now says she with a laugh "Do you think I'm a calf,
Or what is the cause of your hurry?
Wouldn't I be a twit to be covered in grit
And smelling like that awful slurry?
If I gave you my hand I'd own half your land
And I suppose you'd expect me to plough it.
Now get on with your dance. You haven't a chance,
For my husband would never allow it." CHORUS.


I think John Duggan sang it, and came across this version by Seamus Moore (at least i think its the same song, can't access it as I'm at work)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y89TFW3ZIiw

[theticklemister]

Anybody have info on the Anglo-Celt cup?? (Ulster Championship)

Goats don't shave -The Evictions, youtube it, some tune me boys!!!

[Eamonnca1]

Post deleted. Wrong thread.

[Aerlik]

Sion Mills?
New Buildings?
Castledawson/Sean Mullach
Bangor
Bushmills
Hannahstown

The Sion in Sion Mills is Irish, "Suidhe Fhinn", there is a nearby townland "Seein"
Bangor is also Irish, "Beannchar", like Banagher in Derry?
The "Bush" in Bushmills is from the River Bush "An Bhuais"

Thanks lad, the Finn being a reference to the river, no doubt.  I had heard about Bangor but wasn't sure.

[muppet]

This may be common knowledge in the 6 counties but I always wondered where the name Crossmaglen Rangers came from.

Why Rangers? I presume it pre-dates who we associate the name with nowadays.

Any idea BC!?

(N.B. this is neither a political question nor a piss-take.)

[theticklemister]

Nemo Rangers also. Rangers is just a name , like Rovers, Celtic, United. Which a lot of sporting teams use after the name of the club.