More Thuggery on the GAA field

[GalwayBayBoy]

What the hell is going on in HQ?

Monaghan's appeal against the €5,000 fine is 'successful'... it's replaced with a Forfeit of Home Advantage to the opposition in the next scheduled Allianz Football League home fixture. So instead of playing Louth in Clones, we have to travel to Louth! Where has the GAA pulled this one from? Can they just make up sanctions? Why should Louth benefit from this?

Monaghan are appealing this new sanction to the CAC.

Well that's a new one. Whatever about punishing Monaghan they shouldn't be handing an extra advantage to another team.

[armaghniac]

If they wanted to take the hard line in this case then double the fine rather than have a county's support-base lose a game.

They may have chosen this case as a Louth venue is as handy for many Monaghan people as Clones and anyone can reasonably travel there. So fans are not excessively inconvenienced.

Armagh were now thinking about not appealing. Losing home advantage to Mayo would be expensive for fans and county board alike. Losing it to Down would be less expensive.

[Maguire01]

If they wanted to take the hard line in this case then double the fine rather than have a county's support-base lose a game. 

Or maybe just not overturn an original sanction in the first place? The system is a joke, because practically everything is appealed and it seems that in the majority of cases, the sanction is changed/reduced. A successful appeal should be the exception rather than the rule if there was a proper process for the original judgement.

[Maguire01]

Whatever about punishing Monaghan they shouldn't be handing an extra advantage to another team.

And in giving Louth an advantage, it may well disadvantage other teams who end up in the relegation battle.

[Maguire01]

If they wanted to take the hard line in this case then double the fine rather than have a county's support-base lose a game.

They may have chosen this case as a Louth venue is as handy for many Monaghan people as Clones and anyone can reasonably travel there. So fans are not excessively inconvenienced.

Armagh were now thinking about not appealing. Losing home advantage to Mayo would be expensive for fans and county board alike. Losing it to Down would be less expensive.

You just can't work on that basis though.

[haranguerer]

The point is that its not even this specific punishment which is unfair or stupid etc (altho it is), its that its representative of the upper echelons making the whole thing up as they go, which is disgraceful. There were complaints on here about clubs taking solicitors to disciplinary hearings, well, is it any f**king wonder they do - there needs to be something reminding these committees that they cant actually (or cerrtainly shouldnt be able to) do whatever they want.

[tbrick18]

Whatever about punishing Monaghan they shouldn't be handing an extra advantage to another team.

And in giving Louth an advantage, it may well disadvantage other teams who end up in the relegation battle.

I was thinking that too.
It seems like it hasnt been thought out at all - just a made up punishment.
But, the fact that Armagh are reconsidering an appeal will make Croke Park think they have found a way of discouraging this Appeals formality for all suspensions/punishments. Everyone appeals, whether or not they are in the wrong....then decisions get overturned and everyone looks bad. I think in their on tiny wee minds Croke Park think discouraging Appeals will ensure there is less embarrassment for  the authorities in the long run.

All that aside, both Kildare and Monaghan were in the wrong and have to expect sanctions. But I think the problem lies with the powers that be not knowing how to punish this type of "crime" and perhaps it's not anywhere in the rules. A motion for congress???

[johnneycool]

Did Monaghan appeal on the grounds that they were incorrectly punished or that they were indeed guilty but the punishment was too harsh?

The people in Croke park don't know the meaning of consistency, let alone the referee's!

[Rossfan]

The people in Croke park don't know the meaning of consistency, let alone the referee's!

ACHTUNG ! ACHTUNG !!APOSTROPHE ALERT !!!!! 

[johnneycool]

The people in Croke park don't know the meaning of consistency, let alone the referee's!

ACHTUNG ! ACHTUNG !!APOSTROPHE ALERT !!!!! 

Sorry teacher, it won't happen again.

[Maguire01]

Second-tier teams voice concerns over Farney ruling
By Martin Breheny

Thursday February 23 2012

DIVISION 2 counties are keeping a watching brief on the GAA's decision to order Monaghan to forego home advantage for their Allianz League game against Louth next month in case it distorts the table.

There is concern among others in the group that the Central Hearings Committee's (CHC) decision to force Monaghan to travel to Louth could impact on them, either in the race for promotion or the battle against relegation.

Playing at home is regarded as a considerable advantage, one which Louth have been handed in unusual circumstances.

The fixtures plan seeks to give counties a four/three home-away split of their seven league games in alternate years and while it doesn't always work out due to movement between divisions, it's accepted by counties as being fair.

However, if the CHC decision to award Louth home advantage against Monaghan is upheld, it will give them an edge which they would not normally have enjoyed.

Indeed, if Louth beat Monaghan, other counties in the group may object later on if they finish just behind Peter Fitzpatrick's men.

One Division 2 county chairman said he was amazed by the CHC decision to order Monaghan to travel to Louth for their clash on March 11. The CHC made their decision after Monaghan refused to accept a Competitions Control Committee recommendation that they be fined €5,000, arising from incidents in last Sunday week's clash with Kildare in Clones.

"We're all keeping quiet on this for the moment because we don't know how the next few weeks will work out, but rest assured that if Louth beat Monaghan and some county loses out on promotion or is relegated after finishing behind Louth, they will be asking questions," he said.

"Taking home advantage away from Monaghan is one thing, but why should Louth benefit as a result? If Monaghan were to lose home advantage, the game should be played at a neutral venue."

Monaghan's appeal against the CHC decision will be heard next Wednesday.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/secondtier-teams-voice-concerns-over-farney-ruling-3029047.html

[JUst retired]

Cork also had an appeal in yesterday ref the fine. they lost that appeal and lost home advantage in the next League or championship game.

[Maguire01]

The farce continues... 

Monaghan ordered to forfeit home advantage again
17 March 2012

The fallout from the Allianz FL game involving Monaghan and Kildare shows no sign of abating, as Monaghan have once more been told they will lose home advantage for a league game.

The Farney County were originally charged with 'Disruptive conduct of their players' due to a melee in their home game against Kildare. They were hit with a proposed €5,000 fine by the CCCC which they decided to appeal.

The CHC changed the penalty to forfeiture of home advantage of their game against Louth. The Central Appeals Committee upheld that penalty but the DRA then overturned it, and told the CHC to process the original appeal once more.

That allowed Monaghan to host Louth in Clones last weekend, but the CHC met yesterday and imposed a new penalty on the county, that they must play their next scheduled home Allianz FL game at a neutral venue.

Monaghan were due to play Galway in Inniskeen on 25 March, but if the new penalty sticks, then the game will go ahead at a neutral venue.

Monaghan were notified of the reconvened CHC meeting but did not attend and neither did they avail of the facility offered to attend by way of telephone-conferencing.

They can once more appeal the decision through the Central Appeals Committee and if that fails, then go to the DRA once more.

http://www.hoganstand.com/monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=164482

[orangeman]

I'd say we can expect another appeal. More making it up as they go along.

[ONeill]

It's almost funny now.