More Thuggery on the GAA field

[Applesisapples]

Tommy Gorman did a report from Derrytresk this morning on Morning Ireland. I thought that it was a very one sided interview in which Derrytresk got an airing to say how shocked they were at the suspensions and how badly they had been treated. No mention of any remorse at the thuggery that they played their part in. All we got was a lament about how retired players were now back on the panel. Perhaps if the club had better standards of discipline and behaviour this wouldnt be the case.

The chairman of the club said that they had expected a few subs to be suspended - I forget the exact phrase he used. He didnt seem to think any of the on-field players should have been suspended. Tommy didnt point out any of the issues such as how he could justify ANY of the subs that jumped the fence not getting a suspension. Tommy was up in their grounds and didnt want to rock the boat and gave an easy interview. Is that what we are paying Tommy  €250k per annum for?

It was laughable listening to the chairman saying how some of their club members were crying when the ruling came down from Croke Park. I am sure some of the players that were on the receiving end of some additional "treatment" before the game are feeling sorry for them after that interview.

To be fair to both Dromid and Derrytresk there was a schmozzle at the Armagh match on Sunday which ended with two yellow cards, it was as bad as the Dromid/D'tresk one or not as the case may be. The only difference was thae absense of subs and supporters. I think a fine and suspensions for the subs would have suffuced as it could be deemed the ref had dealt with the on field players.

But sure that's the whole point, Apples. The involvement of subs and supporters was what made this case serious and gave rise to the need for severe sanctions. It's a whole different world to a few lads throwing shapes on the field. That'll always happen and the standard sanctions are adequate for the most part. But you have to throw the book when you have subs off the bench, spectators over the fence and ouldwans with handbags running amok.

Yes but the players from boths sides legimately on the pitch were no more guilty than the Cork and Armagh players on Sunday. Deal harshly with the subs and supporters. fine the clubs. But if we start down this road of citing players involved in a schmozzle then where will it end? will every club game be videoed? If not then will we only punish those involved in tv incidents because it looks bad? Hardly justice?

[tbrick18]

Any word on the appeals?

[Jinxy]

Is it time shock collars were introduced for players and fans from Tyrone?
I think the answer is undoubtedly yes.
Official 1: "Two supporters are making a lot of noise and getting a bit close to the pitch. One of them is holding a rolled up programme. Should I shock them?"
Official 2: "Shock the whole lot of them, players too. It's the only way they'll learn."

[ONeill]

A slight relaxation on the player bans and fine but heavier restriction on future participation at All-Ireland level as well as men on the line on Sunday.

[ONeill]

Holleran expecting determined Derrytresk in final

The chairman of Galway football board — whose home club Clonbur meet Derrytresk in the All-Ireland junior final on Sunday — said that the Tyrone club will now be even more determined to win the crown.

John Joe Holleran said that it is regrettable that there has been so much controversy surrounding the clubs' big day out in Croke Park on Sunday (2pm).

He is hopeful that his club's preparation will not be disrupted by the row ahead of their first Croke Park outing, and he still expects a huge challenge from the Tyrone side despite Derrytresk having eight players suspended.

"From a Clonbur point of view we don't want to focus on everything that happened in their semi-final. Irrespective of how many players they might have missing, they are a formidable squad and we will have to cope with that.

"They may appear to be depleted for the final, but it will probably make them all the more determined to win it. I don't want to say too much about their bans because it may be subject to an appeal," said Holleran who was recently elected for a fifth year as chairman of Galway football board.

He said that reaching the All-Ireland junior final was a huge achievement for the small north Connemara club and they want to enjoy the occasion.

"It is a great honour for our club to get to Croke Park, it will be a great day for us, but it is even better to aspire to win the game.

"But the last ten or twelve days all we have heard about is what happened in Derrytresk's semi-final and the possible bans that might be handed out.

"It is very difficult for our lads to focus on the final and the management have their hands full to prepare them. It would have been better if none of this had happened at all," said Holleran.

http://galwayindependent.com/stories/item/964/2012-6/Holleran-expecting-determined-Derrytresk-in-final

[agorm]

A slight relaxation on the player bans and fine but heavier restriction on future participation at All-Ireland level as well as men on the line on Sunday.

I agree.

What actually baffles me is that ALL the subs that entered the pitch were not banned. Surely they could have easily been identified. Also any supporters that entered the fray, especially the sc**bag in the hoodie that clearly hit the Dromid No. 9 - Derrytresk should be asked for him to be identified as part of any reduction in their fine.

[Whishtup]

Is it time shock collars were introduced for players and fans from Tyrone?
I think the answer is undoubtedly yes.
Official 1: "Two supporters are making a lot of noise and getting a bit close to the pitch. One of them is holding a rolled up programme. Should I shock them?"
Official 2: "Shock the whole lot of them, players too. It's the only way they'll learn."

Give it up, Jinxy! you'll never shake off the 'Dorty Meath Hoors' mantra by your constant bombardment of the last great Kingdom of Ireland...

[AZOffaly]

AIB All-Ireland Club Junior Semi-Final Dromid Pearses v Derrytresk Fir an Chnoic
22.01.2012

Disciplinary action was initiated by the CCCC against Caoimhín Mac Cathmhaoil('Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent'), Michael Mac Roibin('Contributing to a melee'), Sean Ó Slatár('Behaving in a way which is dangerous to an opponent'), Brian O Gáibhin ('Attempeting to strike') and Cumann Dhoire Treasc Fir an Chnoic ('Disruptive conduct by Players, Team Officials and Supporters (not causing the Premature Termination of a Game')
.
They chose not to accept the penalties proposed and requested a hearing.
A hearing of the Central Hearings Committee took place on .07/08.02.12, following which the following penalties were imposed.

Cumann Dhoire Treasc Fir an Chnoic –
(a) the Club are ineligible to compete in the Provincial or All-Ireland Club Championships for the next 5 years.
(b) The Club can play in the AIB All-Ireland Club Junior Gaelic Football Final on Sunday next with the following restrictions:
i. Only the Bainisteoir, Rúnaí-Sealadach, Doctor (if any) and Physiotherapist (if any) may enter onto the pitch area before the game, at half-time or in the immediate aftermath of the game.
ii. Water Carriers shall be provided by the CCCC.
iii. During the course of the game, the Runai-Sealadach shall remain in the stand with the substitutes.
iv. Only the Team Manager shall be permitted on the sideline.
(c) A fine of €2,500 was imposed.

Caoimhín Mac Cathmhaoil, Michael Mac Roibin, Sean Ó Slatár, Brian O Gáibhin were each suspended for 4 weeks at the same Code and Level, inclusive of the next Game in the same Competition of the Competition Year, even if that Game falls outside the Suspension time period.

The CHC decided that Disciplinary Action should not have proceeded against Seosamh Mac Aoidh.

Disciplinary process explained:

Penalty Proposed.
The Competitions Control Committee proposes a penalty. It is either accepted or rejected.
If it is rejected, a Hearing is granted.

The Hearings Committee (decision makers) either impose a penalty or exonerate based on evidence presented during the Hearing.

If penalty is imposed by the Hearings Committee, and the defending party is not willing to accept the imposed penalty, then an Appeal can be lodged to the Appeals Committee.

The appeal is heard by the Appeals Committee. If Appeal is unsuccessful then the penalty remains imposed and all avenues of Appeal are now exhausted within the GAA ( The Appeal can only be successful where there has been a clear infringement or misapplication of Rule by the Hearings Committee or the Appellants right to a fair hearing has otherwise been compromised to such extent that a clear injustice has occurred).

However, if the defending party is still not willing to accept the imposed penalty, a request for Arbitration may be lodged to the DRA (Disputes Resolution Authority) who are an external Independent Body and all their decisions are binding.

So what I'm reading there is fairly strict penalties on the club, and 4 weeks suspensions for 4 people, and a 5th getting off. What about the other 3? did they not appeal? Were they subs?

[clarshack]

joe mckee did well to get off - serious boost for the hill.

kevin campbell missing at full back is balanced out with clonbur missing their full forward.

unless 2 or 3 key men succumb to injury between now and during the game - i can't see anything other than a derrytresk victory.

[AZOffaly]

joe mckee did well to get off - serious boost for the hill.

kevin campbell missing at full back is balanced out with clonbur missing their full forward.

unless 2 or 3 key men succumb to injury between now and during the game - i can't see anything other than a derrytresk victory.

Was he the number 11?

[jeepers]

I dont see why the full back was suspended in the first place? The number 11 did very well to get off

[clarshack]

joe mckee did well to get off - serious boost for the hill.

kevin campbell missing at full back is balanced out with clonbur missing their full forward.

unless 2 or 3 key men succumb to injury between now and during the game - i can't see anything other than a derrytresk victory.

Was he the number 11?

yes. very surprising they said no action should have been taken against him.

[AZOffaly]

I only see 5 people mentioned there clarshack, and it seems like they all got 4 weeks each following the hearing (Apart from #11). Am I picking this up right? Were there 3 other suspensions that were not appealed?

[saffron sam2]

I dont see why the full back was suspended in the first place? The number 11 did very well to get off

A testicle tickler I believe. Not suspended for involvement during the melee, rather incidents after the match.

[jeepers]

I dont see why the full back was suspended in the first place? The number 11 did very well to get off

A testicle tickler I believe. Not suspended for involvement during the melee, rather incidents after the match.

It must have been video evidence so? I didnt realise there was any of that stuff caught on camera