Antrim Football Thread

[playwiththewind1st]

The whole shambles should be written up as a case study & as a warning - "If you're thinking of undertaking a major project, then don't even think of attempting to do it this way".

[whatwillbwillb]

So who's to blame for Casement Park?

Ulster council took it from Antrim and ran this..

Antrim we're at fault for handing it over but this fuckup lies at the door of the Ulster council

Surprised at you MR2, a lot of Misinformation, Echo Chambers and Propaganda! Trumpism reigns, Ulster is definitely not on its own here, and I see a lot of social media blaming the residents, they didn't design it !

[Milltown Row2]

So who's to blame for Casement Park?

Ulster council took it from Antrim and ran this..

Antrim we're at fault for handing it over but this fuckup lies at the door of the Ulster council

Surprised at you MR2, a lot of Misinformation, Echo Chambers and Propaganda! Trumpism reigns, Ulster is definitely not on its own here, and I see a lot of social media blaming the residents, they didn't design it !

This became (after the Antrim board handed it over to the Ulster council) an Ulster council project, who in turn should have sought good council with the local residents, listened to their concerns, went back to planning and design, possibly tweak and change certain things.. They also should have had water tight planning with regards to the H&S of the new build, sorta standard stuff you assumed that those intrusted with doing so would have covered..

Yes the Antrim board were probably too hasty in their closing of the ground, I full understand their reasoning behind that, insurance, the stand also being unsafe and not meeting safety requirements, and an expected flawless move into a new stadium.

AS someone has mentioned this would be a brilliant case study for how not to approach a major new build in a built up area..

Had some of these things have been dealt with at the time, we would already be playing in Casement

Don't count your chickens before they hatch would fit well here

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

So who's to blame for Casement Park?

Ulster council took it from Antrim and ran this..

Antrim we're at fault for handing it over but this fuckup lies at the door of the Ulster council

Surprised at you MR2, a lot of Misinformation, Echo Chambers and Propaganda! Trumpism reigns, Ulster is definitely not on its own here, and I see a lot of social media blaming the residents, they didn't design it !

This became (after the Antrim board handed it over to the Ulster council) an Ulster council project, who in turn should have sought good council with the local residents, listened to their concerns, went back to planning and design, possibly tweak and change certain things.. They also should have had water tight planning with regards to the H&S of the new build, sorta standard stuff you assumed that those intrusted with doing so would have covered..

Yes the Antrim board were probably too hasty in their closing of the ground, I full understand their reasoning behind that, insurance, the stand also being unsafe and not meeting safety requirements, and an expected flawless move into a new stadium.

AS someone has mentioned this would be a brilliant case study for how not to approach a major new build in a built up area..

Had some of these things have been dealt with at the time, we would already be playing in Casement

Don't count your chickens before they hatch would fit well here

Talk me through your understanding of that. Specifically in how it relates to you fully understanding the decision to close the ground.

As for the expected flawless move into the new ground..... they were fully aware that there was a lot of opposition from local residents and that there was due to be a legal battle.

[Milltown Row2]

It was just one on many factors, it didn't close the ground on its own but with the insurance costs they were deemed to be the right move at the time... Hindsight would say, keep it open till the planning was completed and rubber stamped

As for the residents they had their concerns and as I said there was no consultation its seems that met their concerns or their needs..

Like any construction or project that has to be taken into account, as we see with the road that is being held up by some concerned farmers, as you'll have sympathy with their plight no doubt

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Thank Christ for the residents and the Judicial Review because it seems the original stadium plan was a Health & Safety ticking time bomb.
The GAA didn't go away and tweak a couple of things to put it right. They had to go right back to the drawing board and design a different stadium. It must have been a fcukin mess.

[Milltown Row2]

Thank Christ for the residents and the Judicial Review because it seems the original stadium plan was a Health & Safety ticking time bomb.
The GAA did go away and tweak a couple of things to put it right. They had to go right back to the drawing board and design a different stadium. It must have been a fcukin mess.

They did or didn't go away?

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Sorry, didn't...

[GTP]

Thank Christ for the residents and the Judicial Review because it seems the original stadium plan was a Health & Safety ticking time bomb.
The GAA didn't go away and tweak a couple of things to put it right. They had to go right back to the drawing board and design a different stadium. It must have been a fcukin mess.

There were insufficient exits to ensure a capacity crowd could get out of the stadium in 8 minutes if the Andersonstown Road was closed due to an emergency. At least that is how I understand it: Assembly 2015

[HTownlad]

I suppose the bottom line is that it might well be a case of "how not to........." going forward but is it completely out of the question for any review of the project to take place?

Mayo GAA are in the mist of a review in relation to governance and more specifically how money was managed. This involves the revenue commission in the south but given that those who involved in either the design phase or sign off phase failed to meet H&S standards yet still got paid, there should be a review.

[Spike]

who is actually running this mess at the moment?

demolishing 20 year old concrete terraces this year to put in identical concrete terraces makes a lot of sense in no way.

[Torcrua]

I still think one of the biggest mistakes in this whole saga gets overlooked.

Ulster Council deserve plenty of criticism for how the project was managed once they took control, but Antrim County Board also have to accept responsibility for handing over Casement so readily and effectively giving up control of their own county ground without enough safeguards.

Closing the stadium before planning was secure and before there were firm guarantees on timelines, funding and delivery was a huge gamble. Once the keys were handed over, Antrim were largely passengers while decisions affecting their home were being made elsewhere.

Every major project carries risk, but you don't surrender your principal asset without legally robust assurances on what happens if delays, planning issues or funding problems arise. Instead, Antrim ended up homeless for years with no meaningful leverage.

The lesson isn't just about poor project management, it's about governance. County boards should never again hand over ownership or control of their county ground without watertight guarantees on delivery, accountability and contingency plans. Unfortunately, Antrim have paid the price for that.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Pretty much spot on. And was anyone ever held to account? Nope. Our reps continued as nodding dogs, year after year after year.
We actually managed to free ourselves from those major decision makers, only to bring them straight back in in a different role. Sometimes ya get what ya deserve.

[whatwillbwillb]

Pretty much spot on. And was anyone ever held to account? Nope. Our reps continued as nodding dogs, year after year after year.
We actually managed to free ourselves from those major decision makers, only to bring them straight back in in a different role. Sometimes ya get what ya deserve.

No one mentioning the political involvement, the virtue signalling has begun early ahead of next May, who's holding them to account for their role in all this?  So have we really freed ourselves from the real major decision makers? However I do concur with you, ya do da get what ya deserve.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Pretty much spot on. And was anyone ever held to account? Nope. Our reps continued as nodding dogs, year after year after year.
We actually managed to free ourselves from those major decision makers, only to bring them straight back in in a different role. Sometimes ya get what ya deserve.

No one mentioning the political involvement, the virtue signalling has begun early ahead of next May, who's holding them to account for their role in all this?  So have we really freed ourselves from the real major decision makers? However I do concur with you, ya do da get what ya deserve.

While I don't disagree with you, the real decision makers in this case are those involved in Ulster GAA who have £207 million to build a stadium and who continue to fanny about. They aren't held to account either.