Rory MacIlroy - Member of the order of the British Empire.

[haranguerer]

This was first item on the today fm news for most of this morning. What in gods name is that about? I think its grand for mcilroy and clarke to be happy to be honoured in this way for what its worth,but what to f**k is it the first item on an Irish broadcasters news bulletin for???! Talk about west brits...

Golf is organised on an all-island basis with two (Northern) Irish golfers being honoured. Hardly west brits! Maybe it is you that is the partitionist!

Read. I was referring to today fm as being the west brits. How is it worthy of celebration (as first item on the news) on an Irish news bulletin that these two golfers in this all-island sport have been honoured as british subjects???

[Nally Stand]

If any of us were in the position McIlroy was then I would nearly bet that we would accept the award too.

You reckon?

I couldn't give two fecks what religion anybody who accepts such an award is. As far as I'm concerned anybody who would accept an award which is rooted to such an historically morally bankrupt and imperialist British Empire deserves a toe up the ass. I would equate the acceptance of such an award with having a serious lack of self-respect.

Really. No different to all those in the armchairs, but are willing to accept any grants, benefits and money they can. If they are so morally against it, dont accept it.  Problem is not too many do

So we should quietly pay taxes and refuse to accept what we are due in return?

There are plenty of armchair republicans who wouldn't know what a days work is, so you wouldn't want to be relying on their taxes.

Lots of arm-chair west-brits too. This board is over-stocked with them.

[Tubberman]

If any of us were in the position McIlroy was then I would nearly bet that we would accept the award too.

You reckon?

I couldn't give two fecks what religion anybody who accepts such an award is. As far as I'm concerned anybody who would accept an award which is rooted to such an historically morally bankrupt and imperialist British Empire deserves a toe up the ass. I would equate the acceptance of such an award with having a serious lack of self-respect.

Really. No different to all those in the armchairs, but are willing to accept any grants, benefits and money they can. If they are so morally against it, dont accept it.  Problem is not too many do

So we should quietly pay taxes and refuse to accept what we are due in return?

There are plenty of armchair republicans who wouldn't know what a days work is, so you wouldn't want to be relying on their taxes.

Lots of arm-chair west-brits too. This board is over-stocked with them.

Well if a GAA board is over-stocked with "west-brits", then can you imagine what the rest of the country is like!?
The GAA is supposed to be the most nationalist of sporting organisations in the country after all.
What does that tell you?

[Nally Stand]

If any of us were in the position McIlroy was then I would nearly bet that we would accept the award too.

You reckon?

I couldn't give two fecks what religion anybody who accepts such an award is. As far as I'm concerned anybody who would accept an award which is rooted to such an historically morally bankrupt and imperialist British Empire deserves a toe up the ass. I would equate the acceptance of such an award with having a serious lack of self-respect.

Really. No different to all those in the armchairs, but are willing to accept any grants, benefits and money they can. If they are so morally against it, dont accept it.  Problem is not too many do

So we should quietly pay taxes and refuse to accept what we are due in return?

There are plenty of armchair republicans who wouldn't know what a days work is, so you wouldn't want to be relying on their taxes.

Lots of arm-chair west-brits too. This board is over-stocked with them.

Well if a GAA board is over-stocked with "west-brits", then can you imagine what the rest of the country is like!?
The GAA is supposed to be the most nationalist of sporting organisations in the country after all.
What does that tell you?

Something I already knew, sadly.

[Tony Baloney]

If any of us were in the position McIlroy was then I would nearly bet that we would accept the award too.

You reckon?

I couldn't give two fecks what religion anybody who accepts such an award is. As far as I'm concerned anybody who would accept an award which is rooted to such an historically morally bankrupt and imperialist British Empire deserves a toe up the ass. I would equate the acceptance of such an award with having a serious lack of self-respect.

Really. No different to all those in the armchairs, but are willing to accept any grants, benefits and money they can. If they are so morally against it, dont accept it.  Problem is not too many do

So we should quietly pay taxes and refuse to accept what we are due in return?

There are plenty of armchair republicans who wouldn't know what a days work is, so you wouldn't want to be relying on their taxes.

Lots of arm-chair west-brits too. This board is over-stocked with them.

Sure give us a rundown on your contribution to "the cause". Other than posting on the gaaboard.

[Applesisapples]

I agree. MacIlroy didn't sell this soul in this occassion, that happened some time ago.

In the world that Rory inhabits, this award is no sell out it is considered to be a highlight of his career. 

In our "shared future" it is a test for others to accept that this s a reality for Rory and no attempt to insult others.  The acceptance of diversity is the first test for us all and acceptance of the equality of existence of diverse views, ideas and beliefs is the second test.  Pass both and we are on our way to a shared future.

Problem is 90% at least don't want a shared future. McIlroy like Mr Armstrong has employed an Uncle Tom approach to get on in his chosen career, why I don't know, but the Business World is full of such people although most of them are of a generation where it was the only way to get on. To my mind this shared future only seems to mean accepting a British Dimension. Therefore when something as outrageous as an Irish Christmas Greeting is placed on Belfast City Hall we see really what a shared future is all about. Until there really is parity of aspiration/nationality/esteem etc people like McIlroy will always be seen as sellouts. The thing is he is a talent and he could have genuinely made a difference to mutual acceptance by being a little less obvious.

What a complete load of bollix. What you mean is that neither man is a lackey of the republican movement and has chosen to make their own decisions rather than swallow the deluded guff pumped out by the boys who are going to end partition and set Ireland free. (One of these days, that is. Just as soon as business up at Stormont allows  ).

Sorry Myles I don't know which part of this Island you reside in, but the point I was making had nothing to do with partition, but parity of esteem. And I do believe that anyone acting in the way McIlroy has, wrapping the loyalist flag around him whilst people from his tradition have their native tongue described as gobbledygook do those of us seeking such  parity a disservice. It would appear that parity only works one way. I have no difficulty with him accepting the gong, nor Martin O'Neill, nor McCoy...personal choice. I just don't think at 22 he has done enough to merit such recognition and this was a politically expedient choice by Cameron. It aslso devalues it. By the by there is a former recipient of one of these up on charges of defrauding the school he ran. Makes you wonder who vets these?

[Nally Stand]

If any of us were in the position McIlroy was then I would nearly bet that we would accept the award too.

You reckon?

I couldn't give two fecks what religion anybody who accepts such an award is. As far as I'm concerned anybody who would accept an award which is rooted to such an historically morally bankrupt and imperialist British Empire deserves a toe up the ass. I would equate the acceptance of such an award with having a serious lack of self-respect.

Really. No different to all those in the armchairs, but are willing to accept any grants, benefits and money they can. If they are so morally against it, dont accept it.  Problem is not too many do

So we should quietly pay taxes and refuse to accept what we are due in return?

There are plenty of armchair republicans who wouldn't know what a days work is, so you wouldn't want to be relying on their taxes.

Lots of arm-chair west-brits too. This board is over-stocked with them.

Sure give us a rundown on your contribution to "the cause". Other than posting on the gaaboard.

Should everybody give a rundown of what they have done to further their particular aspirations, prior to being allowed state an opinion on here, or does this new rule only only apply for Republicans? I can assure you I have done and continue to do plenty and I can also assure you that I feel in no way obliged to justify or detail any of my contributions with yourself or anybody else.

[Tony Baloney]

If any of us were in the position McIlroy was then I would nearly bet that we would accept the award too.

You reckon?

I couldn't give two fecks what religion anybody who accepts such an award is. As far as I'm concerned anybody who would accept an award which is rooted to such an historically morally bankrupt and imperialist British Empire deserves a toe up the ass. I would equate the acceptance of such an award with having a serious lack of self-respect.

Really. No different to all those in the armchairs, but are willing to accept any grants, benefits and money they can. If they are so morally against it, dont accept it.  Problem is not too many do

So we should quietly pay taxes and refuse to accept what we are due in return?

There are plenty of armchair republicans who wouldn't know what a days work is, so you wouldn't want to be relying on their taxes.

Lots of arm-chair west-brits too. This board is over-stocked with them.

Sure give us a rundown on your contribution to "the cause". Other than posting on the gaaboard.

Should everybody give a rundown of what they have done to further their particular aspirations, prior to being allowed state an opinion on here, or does this new rule only only apply for Republicans? I can assure you I have done and continue to do plenty and I can also assure you that I feel in no way obliged to justify or detail any of my contributions with yourself or anybody else.

Good man.

[Nally Stand]

 

[thebigfella]

If more Republicans had no TV's in their bed rooms growing up, Ireland would have been united ages ago. 

[Maguire01]

I just don't think at 22 he has done enough to merit such recognition and this was a politically expedient choice by Cameron.

Are you having a laugh? He's achieved more at 22 than most people will in their whole lives! He's number 2 in the world in his sport. He has already won a Major, breaking several records in doing so.

[Maguire01]

Problem is 90% at least don't want a shared future.

Where do you pull that figure from?

To my mind this shared future only seems to mean accepting a British Demention. Therefore when something as outrageous as an Irish Christmas Greeting is placed on Belfast City Hall we see really what a shared future is all about.

I wouldn't be looking to many of our politicians as an example when it comes to promoting a shared future. Many of them survive by playing the 'green vs orange' game. That doesn't mean everyone else has to follow them.

Until there really is parity of aspiration/nationality/esteem etc people like McIlroy will always be seen as sellouts.

Only by people who have a problem with someone who doesn't follow a narrow definition of what someone from a Catholic/Protestant background should do.

[armaghniac]

This thread seems to go and on.

Is becoming a Member of the British Empire a morally bankrupt action? Of course it is.

Do people ignore principles when they see some money in it? Of course they do.

IMHO someone who is looking out for No 1 has more integrity than someone coming on here talking about grants or the Catholic church just to stir shit in this thread.

[Maguire01]

Do people ignore principles when they see some money in it? Of course they do.

Yeah, i've heard McIlroy is in dire need of a few quid. That's clearly why he said yes.

[Nally Stand]

If more Republicans had no TV's in their bed rooms growing up, Ireland would have been united ages ago.

If more free staters didn't have TVs in ther bedrooms growing up, the country wouldn't be full of west brits who think whatever RTÉ tells them to think. "Ohh 'The Queen' is visiting....I'd better support that because RTÉ says that if we do, we become mature!!"