British State Collusion

[Milltown Row2]

The SAS in Clonoe that night showed just as much disregard for human suffering as the IRA did for the people of Omagh in 1998.  One group just as bad as the other.

The IRA had precisely nothing to do with the Omagh bomb.

Are you saying it was the Bad IRA who planted the Omagh bomb and not the Good IRA.

Are you saying the PIRA and the Real IRA are the same organisation?

Let's not get into the specifics, he coulda used Enniskillen

[Snapchap]

The SAS in Clonoe that night showed just as much disregard for human suffering as the IRA did for the people of Omagh in 1998.  One group just as bad as the other.

The IRA had precisely nothing to do with the Omagh bomb.

Are you saying it was the Bad IRA who planted the Omagh bomb and not the Good IRA.

Are you saying the PIRA and the Real IRA are the same organisation?

Let's not get into the specifics, he coulda used Enniskillen

He could have said any attack, but he didn't. He said Omagh. You might call it "semantics" to attempt to be accurate in stating who killed 31 people but I wouldn't.

I wonder if I tried to suggest that anyone other than the PIRA bombed Enniskillen would you back me and accuse anyone who tried to correct me of "semantics"?

[Milltown Row2]

The SAS in Clonoe that night showed just as much disregard for human suffering as the IRA did for the people of Omagh in 1998.  One group just as bad as the other.

The IRA had precisely nothing to do with the Omagh bomb.

Are you saying it was the Bad IRA who planted the Omagh bomb and not the Good IRA.

Are you saying the PIRA and the Real IRA are the same organisation?

Let's not get into the specifics, he coulda used Enniskillen

He could have said any attack, but he didn't. He said Omagh. You might call it "semantics" to attempt to be accurate in stating who killed 31 people but I wouldn't.

I wonder if I tried to suggest that anyone other than the PIRA bombed Enniskillen would you back me and accuse anyone who tried to correct me of "semantics"?

It's doesn't matter to be fair, he possibly thought with today's inquiries into Omagh he'd throw it out. Not accurate of course.

I'm not here to back anyone and their views either, I've mine and you have yours

I've said countless times, had you been brought up in the village down the road your view on this place would be entirely different. An accident of birth

[Armagh18]

In fairness LC didn't say "which" IRA did Omagh..

[Snapchap]

The SAS in Clonoe that night showed just as much disregard for human suffering as the IRA did for the people of Omagh in 1998.  One group just as bad as the other.

The IRA had precisely nothing to do with the Omagh bomb.

Are you saying it was the Bad IRA who planted the Omagh bomb and not the Good IRA.

Are you saying the PIRA and the Real IRA are the same organisation?

Let's not get into the specifics, he coulda used Enniskillen

He could have said any attack, but he didn't. He said Omagh. You might call it "semantics" to attempt to be accurate in stating who killed 31 people but I wouldn't.

I wonder if I tried to suggest that anyone other than the PIRA bombed Enniskillen would you back me and accuse anyone who tried to correct me of "semantics"?

It's doesn't matter to be fair, he possibly thought with today's inquiries into Omagh he'd throw it out. Not accurate of course.

I'm not here to back anyone and their views either, I've mine and you have yours

I've said countless times, had you been brought up in the village down the road your view on this place would be entirely different. An accident of birth

The SAS in Clonoe that night showed just as much disregard for human suffering as the IRA did for the people of Omagh in 1998.  One group just as bad as the other.

The IRA had precisely nothing to do with the Omagh bomb.

Are you saying it was the Bad IRA who planted the Omagh bomb and not the Good IRA.

Are you saying the PIRA and the Real IRA are the same organisation?

Let's not get into the specifics, he coulda used Enniskillen

He could have said any attack, but he didn't. He said Omagh. You might call it "semantics" to attempt to be accurate in stating who killed 31 people but I wouldn't.

I wonder if I tried to suggest that anyone other than the PIRA bombed Enniskillen would you back me and accuse anyone who tried to correct me of "semantics"?

It's doesn't matter to be fair, he possibly thought with today's inquiries into Omagh he'd throw it out. Not accurate of course.

I'm not here to back anyone and their views either, I've mine and you have yours

I've said countless times, had you been brought up in the village down the road your view on this place would be entirely different. An accident of birth

The SAS in Clonoe that night showed just as much disregard for human suffering as the IRA did for the people of Omagh in 1998.  One group just as bad as the other.

The IRA had precisely nothing to do with the Omagh bomb.

Are you saying it was the Bad IRA who planted the Omagh bomb and not the Good IRA.

Are you saying the PIRA and the Real IRA are the same organisation?

Let's not get into the specifics, he coulda used Enniskillen

He could have said any attack, but he didn't. He said Omagh. You might call it "semantics" to attempt to be accurate in stating who killed 31 people but I wouldn't.

I wonder if I tried to suggest that anyone other than the PIRA bombed Enniskillen would you back me and accuse anyone who tried to correct me of "semantics"?

It's doesn't matter to be fair, he possibly thought with today's inquiries into Omagh he'd throw it out. Not accurate of course.

I'm not here to back anyone and their views either, I've mine and you have yours

I've said countless times, had you been brought up in the village down the road your view on this place would be entirely different. An accident of birth

What village one grows up in, and the right if people to have their own views has precisely nothing to do with the point.

When a group kills 31 people, then it's right and proper that we at least be truthful about what group that was and to not knowingly lie about it.

Hardly a contestable point, I'd have thought.

[Snapchap]

In fairness LC didn't say "which" IRA did Omagh..

I'm gunna go out on a limb here and suggest that he meant the IRA that everyone on this earth refers to when they say "the IRA" in relation to the troubles. And its not the Real IRA. I'll also go as far as to say that you know that too. Which makes me wonder why you posted that at all.

[Wildweasel74]

Here's my confusion. Martin McGuiness used to say it was a war. And if those men could been arrested and not shot it be a war crime? How's that work the other way round? Would the Ira not have shot them as it was a supposed war? The 2 soldiers that day of the funerals in Belfast. Took alive then shot, do we not class that was a war crime? What am trying to said you can't say 1 outfit committing war crimes and then the other one not, as it doesn't suit us. There a show on tv  about ww2 at the minute and Hitler instruction was take no prisoners.Where do we draw the difference?

[Milltown Row2]

The SAS in Clonoe that night showed just as much disregard for human suffering as the IRA did for the people of Omagh in 1998.  One group just as bad as the other.

The IRA had precisely nothing to do with the Omagh bomb.

Are you saying it was the Bad IRA who planted the Omagh bomb and not the Good IRA.

Are you saying the PIRA and the Real IRA are the same organisation?

Let's not get into the specifics, he coulda used Enniskillen

He could have said any attack, but he didn't. He said Omagh. You might call it "semantics" to attempt to be accurate in stating who killed 31 people but I wouldn't.

I wonder if I tried to suggest that anyone other than the PIRA bombed Enniskillen would you back me and accuse anyone who tried to correct me of "semantics"?

It's doesn't matter to be fair, he possibly thought with today's inquiries into Omagh he'd throw it out. Not accurate of course.

I'm not here to back anyone and their views either, I've mine and you have yours

I've said countless times, had you been brought up in the village down the road your view on this place would be entirely different. An accident of birth

The SAS in Clonoe that night showed just as much disregard for human suffering as the IRA did for the people of Omagh in 1998.  One group just as bad as the other.

The IRA had precisely nothing to do with the Omagh bomb.

Are you saying it was the Bad IRA who planted the Omagh bomb and not the Good IRA.

Are you saying the PIRA and the Real IRA are the same organisation?

Let's not get into the specifics, he coulda used Enniskillen

He could have said any attack, but he didn't. He said Omagh. You might call it "semantics" to attempt to be accurate in stating who killed 31 people but I wouldn't.

I wonder if I tried to suggest that anyone other than the PIRA bombed Enniskillen would you back me and accuse anyone who tried to correct me of "semantics"?

It's doesn't matter to be fair, he possibly thought with today's inquiries into Omagh he'd throw it out. Not accurate of course.

I'm not here to back anyone and their views either, I've mine and you have yours

I've said countless times, had you been brought up in the village down the road your view on this place would be entirely different. An accident of birth

The SAS in Clonoe that night showed just as much disregard for human suffering as the IRA did for the people of Omagh in 1998.  One group just as bad as the other.

The IRA had precisely nothing to do with the Omagh bomb.

Are you saying it was the Bad IRA who planted the Omagh bomb and not the Good IRA.

Are you saying the PIRA and the Real IRA are the same organisation?

Let's not get into the specifics, he coulda used Enniskillen

He could have said any attack, but he didn't. He said Omagh. You might call it "semantics" to attempt to be accurate in stating who killed 31 people but I wouldn't.

I wonder if I tried to suggest that anyone other than the PIRA bombed Enniskillen would you back me and accuse anyone who tried to correct me of "semantics"?

It's doesn't matter to be fair, he possibly thought with today's inquiries into Omagh he'd throw it out. Not accurate of course.

I'm not here to back anyone and their views either, I've mine and you have yours

I've said countless times, had you been brought up in the village down the road your view on this place would be entirely different. An accident of birth

What village one grows up in, and the right if people to have their own views has precisely nothing to do with the point.

When a group kills 31 people, then it's right and proper that we at least be truthful about what group that was and to not knowingly lie about it.

Hardly a contestable point, I'd have thought.

You are the one arguing about it, so contestable enough for you. Only one person brought up Omagh, there were plenty others that could have been used

[RedHand88]

The SAS in Clonoe that night showed just as much disregard for human suffering as the IRA did for the people of Omagh in 1998.  One group just as bad as the other.

The IRA had precisely nothing to do with the Omagh bomb.

Are you saying it was the Bad IRA who planted the Omagh bomb and not the Good IRA.

Are you saying the PIRA and the Real IRA are the same organisation?

Well they were until a few months before Omagh, no?

[jb77]

Here's my confusion. Martin McGuiness used to say it was a war. And if those men could been arrested and not shot it be a war crime? How's that work the other way round? Would the Ira not have shot them as it was a supposed war? The 2 soldiers that day of the funerals in Belfast. Took alive then shot, do we not class that was a war crime? What am trying to said you can't say 1 outfit committing war crimes and then the other one not, as it doesn't suit us. There a show on tv  about ww2 at the minute and Hitler instruction was take no prisoners.Where do we draw the difference?

The only gripe I have is that the brits would not consider it a war in their own backyard, they refused to consider the IRA as combatants yet utilised a combatant shoot to skill policy.

There was no doubt they knew the risks Kevin o'donnell was in the game long enough, I remember him with a half grin on his face in the coffin oddly. But like tony doris we never knew lads like peter or sean were involved until they were dead, some waste of life

[Snapchap]

The SAS in Clonoe that night showed just as much disregard for human suffering as the IRA did for the people of Omagh in 1998.  One group just as bad as the other.

The IRA had precisely nothing to do with the Omagh bomb.

Are you saying it was the Bad IRA who planted the Omagh bomb and not the Good IRA.⁸

Are you saying the PIRA and the Real IRA are the same organisation?

Well they were until a few months before Omagh, no?

And? Were they the same organisation by 15th August 1998?

[Rossfan]

How many IRAs have there been since the GFA was signed?

[Snapchap]

You are the one arguing about it, so contestable enough for you. Only one person brought up Omagh, there were plenty others that could have been used

I really don't know what point you're trying to make with this "Only one person brought up Omagh, there were plenty others that could have been used" bit again.

Of course he could have brought up any event. But he didn't. It was very specifically the Omagh Bombing he lied about, so that's the one I am calling him out for lying about.

[Milltown Row2]

You are the one arguing about it, so contestable enough for you. Only one person brought up Omagh, there were plenty others that could have been used

I really don't know what point you're trying to make with this "Only one person brought up Omagh, there were plenty others that could have been used" bit again.

Of course he could have brought up any event. But he didn't. It was very specifically the Omagh Bombing he lied about, so that's the one I am calling him out for lying about.

Again as pointed out, he said IRA he wasn't specific on which one, but you've put him straight on that

[Snapchap]

You are the one arguing about it, so contestable enough for you. Only one person brought up Omagh, there were plenty others that could have been used

I really don't know what point you're trying to make with this "Only one person brought up Omagh, there were plenty others that could have been used" bit again.

Of course he could have brought up any event. But he didn't. It was very specifically the Omagh Bombing he lied about, so that's the one I am calling him out for lying about.

Again as pointed out, he said IRA he wasn't specific on which one, but you've put him straight on that

Yes because when he said the IRA bombed Omagh, he certainly wasn't trying to suggest it was the PIRA eh? Perish the very thought.

Outside of members of the Real IRA, have you ever met anyone who refers to it in conversation as "the IRA" rather than the "Real IRA"? Yeah me neither.

When you have to go to that level of ridiculousness in search of an argument, then maybe its time to reflect of whether you're just being more than a little bit of a contrarian.