Prisoner admits attempted murder of Ian Huntley

seafoid · October 04, 2011, 04:39:43 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/04/prisoner-attempted-murder-ian-huntley

Damien Fowkes, 35, pleaded guilty at Hull crown court to slashing Huntley's throat in Frankland prison, Durham, in March last year. Fowkes, from Northampton, also admitted the manslaughter of the child killer Colin Hatch, who was strangled at Full Sutton prison near York in February this year. The court heard how Fowkes shows "strong psychopathic traits".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15163465
Mr Reeds said Fowkes barricaded himself and Hatch into a cell and told prison officers he would not kill him if they stayed outside.

The officers dealt with it as a hostage situation.But, with the officers outside, Fowkes killed Hatch using strips of bedding as ligatures.At one point, Fowkes told officers: "He's a nonce. He doesn't deserve to live."
He later claimed Hatch had contacted him by telepathy, asking him to kill him.

And then there are the tabloids

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxine_Carr_(criminal)

Maxine Carr was released from prison on 14 May 2004 and immediately received police protection. She won an injunction on 24 February 2005, granting her lifelong anonymity on the grounds that her life would otherwise be in danger from lynch mobs. The costs of this have been reported by different tabloid newspapers as being between £1 million and £50 million, costs that would possibly have been unnecessary were it not for what former Daily Mirror editor Roy Greenslade described as tabloid newspapers "whipping up the kind of public hysteria guaranteed to incite misguided people to take the law into their own hands".[31]
Some tabloids have taken to writing inaccurate articles designed to smear her, possibly because of her unusual legal position. She has been variously accused of receiving thousands of pounds worth of dental treatment at the taxpayers' expense, applying for a childcare course, negotiating a £1 million book deal with a publisher and making a series of sensational demands in order to live abroad. All these stories were untrue, but Maxine Carr was unable to make any formal response to them without jeopardising her anonymity.[32]

At least a dozen women have been attacked and persecuted as a result of lynch mobs "enraged by fake stories about Carr published by red-top papers", as Greenslade said.[32][33][34][35][36] Channel 4 released a documentary describing this as a modern witchhunt against unknown women of similar appearance to Carr who have recently moved into an area.[37

screenmachine · October 04, 2011, 07:39:21 PM

To be fair, if I was in prison for murder already or serving any length of a sentence I would have no hesitation of having a go at child killers, rapists, etc. They deserve to live in fear in prison rather than have a cushy time strolling around prison. They're fair game if you ask me.

gallsman · October 04, 2011, 07:40:53 PM

Quote from: screenmachine on October 04, 2011, 07:39:21 PM
To be fair, if I was in prison for murder already or serving any length of a sentence I would have no hesitation of having a go at child killers, rapists, etc. They deserve to live in fear in prison rather than have a cushy time strolling around prison. They're fair game if you ask me.

Why not just kill yourself if you were a murderer as well?

Dinny Breen · October 04, 2011, 07:41:58 PM

Quote from: screenmachine on October 04, 2011, 07:39:21 PM
To be fair, if I was in prison for murder already or serving any length of a sentence I would have no hesitation of having a go at child killers, rapists, etc. They deserve to live in fear in prison rather than have a cushy time strolling around prison. They're fair game if you ask me.

Mental note, avoid debate with screenexile as he has shown psychopath symptoms...

muppet · October 04, 2011, 07:45:34 PM

Quote from: Dinny Breen on October 04, 2011, 07:41:58 PM
Quote from: screenmachine on October 04, 2011, 07:39:21 PM
To be fair, if I was in prison for murder already or serving any length of a sentence I would have no hesitation of having a go at child killers, rapists, etc. They deserve to live in fear in prison rather than have a cushy time strolling around prison. They're fair game if you ask me.

Mental note, avoid debate with screenexile as he has shown psychopath symptoms...

But you're cool with screenmachine?

Dinny Breen · October 04, 2011, 08:04:28 PM

Quote from: muppet on October 04, 2011, 07:45:34 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on October 04, 2011, 07:41:58 PM
Quote from: screenmachine on October 04, 2011, 07:39:21 PM
To be fair, if I was in prison for murder already or serving any length of a sentence I would have no hesitation of having a go at child killers, rapists, etc. They deserve to live in fear in prison rather than have a cushy time strolling around prison. They're fair game if you ask me.

Mental note, avoid debate with screenexile as he has shown psychopath symptoms...

But you're cool with screenmachine?

All the same from that part of the woods..

screenmachine · October 05, 2011, 12:33:55 PM

Quote from: gallsman on October 04, 2011, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: screenmachine on October 04, 2011, 07:39:21 PM
To be fair, if I was in prison for murder already or serving any length of a sentence I would have no hesitation of having a go at child killers, rapists, etc. They deserve to live in fear in prison rather than have a cushy time strolling around prison. They're fair game if you ask me.

Why not just kill yourself if you were a murderer as well?

I would look upon child murderers differently from someone who murders someone as an act of revenge, for example. Don't get me wrong, all murder is wrong but if someone killed/raped/whatever a close member of your family and you took the law into your own hands, it's still wrong but I am sure you would have greater sympathy from the public compared to someone like Huntley for example who murdered two young kids out of the blue...

Sure the American Government have been doing it for years in certain states...

haranguerer · October 05, 2011, 01:21:41 PM

So its all about whether or not you would get the wider sympathy of the public rather than actually having any convictions of your own about waht is right and wrong?? Wtf are you talking about??

screenmachine · October 05, 2011, 01:47:26 PM

I clearly stated that it would still be wrong to carry out a revenge murder. I simply added to this point that it would be easier to justify your reasons to someone if this was an act of revenge rather than a random killing of a child. Not that it would matter, it would still be wrong but a different type of wrong. Some would even say it's right. Or is it left?

HiMucker · October 05, 2011, 01:52:12 PM

Quote from: haranguerer on October 05, 2011, 01:21:41 PM
So its all about whether or not you would get the wider sympathy of the public rather than actually having any convictions of your own about waht is right and wrong?? Wtf are you talking about??

Whats not to understand?? I think his point is quite clear. Say you are a doing a live term for armed robbery (which this guy is), and say your a wee bit nutty (which this guy clearly is) and your moral compass isn't exactly pointing north. Then its not inconceivable that you might say "f**k it, I'm doing a life stretch and think those two child raping bastards deserve to die"
And whats more, no one will give a flying fcuk about it!

screenmachine · October 05, 2011, 01:53:43 PM

^^^ Yeah, what he said ballbag.

HiMucker · October 05, 2011, 02:01:51 PM

Quote from: hardstation on October 05, 2011, 01:55:41 PM
Still some fcuked up thinking, IMO.

Is that you David Norris?

seafoid · October 05, 2011, 02:30:04 PM

Do people like Huntley forfeit the right to life if they kill a child ?

I wonder what the proportion of psychopaths in the typical prison population is. There seem to be a sizeable number in the corporate world as well.

Billys Boots · October 05, 2011, 02:42:18 PM

QuoteThere seem to be a sizeable number in the corporate world as well.

That's for sure.

HiMucker · October 05, 2011, 02:48:12 PM

Quote from: seafoid on October 05, 2011, 02:30:04 PM
Do people like Huntley forfeit the right to life if they kill a child ?

I wonder what the proportion of psychopaths in the typical prison population is. There seem to be a sizeable number in the corporate world as well.

I honestly think they should. I dont support the death penalty as such, but have no sympathy for anyone who murders, rapes or abuses children. I would not spare a thought for them no matter what way they meet their end. I would even include people that look at "child pornography" in this category. The very name takes away from the offence that it actually is. It is not pornography. Every image of this nature is a crime scene, every image, is the rape or abuse of an innocent child, and those that view them for the purposes of sexual gratification are participating fully in that crime and they should be punished accordingly. Which should be life in prison as they will always pose a danger to the most important part of our society, our children.
The law does not protect innocent people. As suspended sentences are handed out for viewing child abuse, and sentences of only a couple of years are handed out for some instances of child abuse including rape.
Tell me what would you do if a convicted paedophile who was sentenced for viewing images of children moved in to a house close where you were raising a family? I think you would be mad to do nothing. I can tell you that I could live with the shame of murdering that individual a lot easier than the shame if I did nothing and he went on to abuse one of my children knowing you could have prevented it.