Keith Duggan gets stuck into the Sunday Game panel

[lynchbhoy]

There was nothing "complex or nuanced" about Donegal's tactics, in fact they ultimately cost Donegal the game. Havign 13 men in your own half of the field and one of the best full forwards in the country in your own half back line is not complex, it is just ultra negative, Its nothing new either, many teams have tried it and no team has ever won an All ireland with it.

have to say , while not as defensively pronounced as Donegal, I'd have to mention that Kerry and Tyrone spring to mind ...plus if Dublin win this season, this will be a third county- that plays a very defensive strategy- to win the AI....

I'm sorry, but no..even at their most frenzied level of desperation to win an AI in 2003, Tyrone were not as bad as Donegal the last day IMO...And thats from a Kerry man who was disgusted coming out of croker when they beat us.
Kerry? The 2nd half of the '09 final is the only period I've ever seen Kerry go defensive, but there were always 3 attackers left up at least in that case also...and there was plenty constructive attacking play by them in that half also,therefore - no correlation whatsoever with Donegal.
Dublin will not win by being overly defensive either and I'm sure Gilroy will realise this...If they are to win, they need Connolly and the 2 Brogans firing on all cylinders within 40 yards of goal, NOT around the half back line!

sorry chief, but while Donegal are more blatantly obviously defensive, kerry, dublin, tyrone, armagh, kildare, monaghan aetc over the past number of seasons have been defensive and some VERY defensive.
Ye , their play may look better than Donegals, but dont tell me that all the above teams play the set positions and dont drop men (half forwards, corner forwards etc) back into their own half at times or all of the time during games.
That, my Kerry compadre, IS defensive football!
or football with an emphasis on defence!

[Jinxy]

Hardy I want to hear more about the lads with the jumping bikes.

[Hardy]

Lads with jumping bikes

[Jinxy]

Savage stuff.
It looks like more of a North Meath thing though.

[Hardy]

If Donegal do persist with what they produced against Dublin and if they find that "10 minutes" of conditioning to shut teams out for an entire game an dwin next years All Ireland final  on a scor 06-05.

The next step is very easy to predict.  The rules will be changed.

Not because of fluffy spectators who should be watching the circus, but because the (mostly) men who are in charge of the GAA's future wont allow the game to develop along those lines.

I am old enough to remember Dublin-Kerry in the 70's  Throw passes - throw scores  -  basketball  -   rule change.

I agree 100%. I've posted more or less exactly that recently. That's how it should be, provided the men in charge are making the right changes for the right reasons.

[Hardy]

Savage stuff.
It looks like more of a North Meath thing though.

Definitely Nobberish.

[lynchbhoy]

Dublin will not win by being overly defensive either and I'm sure Gilroy will realise this...If they are to win, they need Connolly and the 2 Brogans firing on all cylinders within 40 yards of goal, NOT around the half back line!

btw Dublin when Tyrone were attacking had two forwards in the Donegal half of the pitch.
Thats one more than Donegal , but how does this mean that they are not defensive when Donegal are?

I'm taking the mick a bit I admit, but most football teams are defensive, but generally when they cross halfway, they dont pass the ball backwards again like Donegal did. 
Its not really defensive football that people have an issue with (as they'd mostly be hypocrites otherwise) its the horrible style and refusal to commit players forward that looked bad.
imo

[muppet]

If Donegal do persist with what they produced against Dublin and if they find that "10 minutes" of conditioning to shut teams out for an entire game an dwin next years All Ireland final  on a scor 06-05.

The next step is very easy to predict.  The rules will be changed.

Not because of fluffy spectators who should be watching the circus, but because the (mostly) men who are in charge of the GAA's future wont allow the game to develop along those lines.

I am old enough to remember Dublin-Kerry in the 70's  Throw passes - throw scores  -  basketball  -   rule change.

I agree 100%. I've posted more or less exactly that recently. That's how it should be, provided the men in charge are making the right changes for the right reasons.

What would these changes and reasons be?

[Hardy]

Curtailing handpassing, eradicating diving and taking some steps to restore honest physicality to the games would be my priorities. No doubt everybody else would have theirs. Then we'd need consensus. That's how I think it works.

[lynchbhoy]

Curtailing handpassing, eradicating diving and taking some steps to restore honest physicality to the games would be my priorities. No doubt everybody else would have theirs. Then we'd need consensus. That's how I think it works.

bring in the one solo, one hop rule - then have half time flogging for convicted divers !

[muppet]

Curtailing handpassing, eradicating diving and taking some steps to restore honest physicality to the games would be my priorities. No doubt everybody else would have theirs. Then we'd need consensus. That's how I think it works.

In short make the ball smaller and give them sticks?

[blewuporstuffed]

Curtailing handpassing, eradicating diving and taking some steps to restore honest physicality to the games would be my priorities. No doubt everybody else would have theirs. Then we'd need consensus. That's how I think it works.

the hand pass itself isnt the problem though. its avalid way of a team retaining possession.
i would rather watch a slick attacking move involving handpasses , than a team just lumping it up front and letting the forward fight for it.
there already is a game to watch that,- hurling.
I agree with your other two points although both are difficult to do.

[Hardy]

Curtailing handpassing, eradicating diving and taking some steps to restore honest physicality to the games would be my priorities. No doubt everybody else would have theirs. Then we'd need consensus. That's how I think it works.

In short make the ball smaller and give them sticks?

What?

Edit.  Sorry - getcha.

[brokencrossbar1]

Curtailing handpassing, eradicating diving and taking some steps to restore honest physicality to the games would be my priorities. No doubt everybody else would have theirs. Then we'd need consensus. That's how I think it works.

In training I implement a rule in every practice game that you have 1 solo, maximum 2 handpasses before you have to kick pass.  It has improved the teams overall level of play no end and has made them more effective.  This is basic stuff but what I have found more and more as I manage is that a lot of young players need to get a better basic understanding of the game.

[lynchbhoy]

Curtailing handpassing, eradicating diving and taking some steps to restore honest physicality to the games would be my priorities. No doubt everybody else would have theirs. Then we'd need consensus. That's how I think it works.

In training I implement a rule in every practice game that you have 1 solo, maximum 2 handpasses before you have to kick pass.  It has improved the teams overall level of play no end and has made them more effective.  This is basic stuff but what I have found more and more as I manage is that a lot of young players need to get a better basic understanding of the game.

the skills need to be practiced. Continually.
As I say to kids/adults when coaching - look at the darts/snooker/golf etc players.
They are brilliant , but all put in 8 hours a day practice to ensure their skill levels dont drop.
Why do players think they can neglect any skill and retain a high competence level at it?