Keith Duggan gets stuck into the Sunday Game panel

Started by Jinxy, September 03, 2011, 02:59:04 PM

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Hardy

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 05, 2011, 11:22:05 AMSpeaking of which, can I propose Davis be formally admitted into the Football Nuala's on the basis of being a particularly annoying little bollox?

Davis is way beyond Nualadom. He'd be a Nuala's mammy.

Jinxy

If you were any use you'd be playing.



Zulu

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Quote from: cadence on September 05, 2011, 01:09:57 AM
there's a lot of talk about the beauty of the game being sullied, but i'm struggling to see what all that's about. as far as i can make out, there's not a lot of champagne football being consistently played by any county these days. this year, games between teams playing the traditional type of game, the type of game a lot of posters on here are protectiive off, have largely been uninspiring and underwhelming. most counties have one or two players that are good to watch, and of a game you'll see the odd flash of brilliance here and there, but the overall team performance has been wanting and these are not entralling games to watch. i find them like watching lower order semi-pro soccer sides trying and failing to get it all together. the standard is not something that takes your breath away. as contests, they just don't compel in terms of the skills on show, nor does the physical
demands required jar you much at all. on the other hand, the hardest fought games have been wonderful to behold, full of drama and fantastic exhibitions of fitness and endeavour. tbh, most of the time i find the games played in the traditional way boring. there's nothing strategically interesting about them and a lot of it is just plain dull.

If you believe that then you're no fan of football. There were a number of good games this year and loads last year. The worst thing about Donegal's style of play is that to beat it you have to mirror it. It's nonsense to claim inventive coaches can break it down as Donegal are simply filling up the scoring zone with bodies and won't come out. So to beat them you have to keep players back and hope you pick up a few handy frees or a goal to win the game.

There is nothing inventive, courageous or exciting about Donegal's tactics. It is simply filling up the scoring zone which reduces the need for individual defensive ability and needs no attacking strategy. The only good thing is it won't be successful in the longterm.

AZOffaly

Steady on Zulu. Did you have a stroke? That was an abrupt end to the sentence :)

QuoteIf you believe that then you're no fan of football. There were a number of good games this year and l

Zulu

I was hoping I'd have finished it off before anyone spotted it!! Have you no work to be doing??? :D

seafoid

Keith Duggan is very sharp. He skewered O Rourke, Brolly and Spillane so elegantly. 

The RTE coverage is really jaded.  It's smugness all the way.
Spillane wouldn't get the job if it was private sector. He's a buffoon. 

Gaelic football today is a real mess. It doesn't seem to be going anywhere as a sport.
Hurling is far more sure of itself.

Jinxy

Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2011, 04:02:06 PM
Keith Duggan is very sharp. He skewered O Rourke, Brolly and Spillane so elegantly. 

The RTE coverage is really jaded.  It's smugness all the way.
Spillane wouldn't get the job if it was private sector. He's a buffoon. 

Gaelic football today is a real mess. It doesn't seem to be going anywhere as a sport.
Hurling is far more sure of itself.

It isn't in Galway anyway.  :P
If you were any use you'd be playing.

cadence

Quote from: Zulu on September 05, 2011, 02:27:20 PM
Quote from: cadence on September 05, 2011, 01:09:57 AM
there's a lot of talk about the beauty of the game being sullied, but i'm struggling to see what all that's about. as far as i can make out, there's not a lot of champagne football being consistently played by any county these days. this year, games between teams playing the traditional type of game, the type of game a lot of posters on here are protectiive off, have largely been uninspiring and underwhelming. most counties have one or two players that are good to watch, and of a game you'll see the odd flash of brilliance here and there, but the overall team performance has been wanting and these are not entralling games to watch. i find them like watching lower order semi-pro soccer sides trying and failing to get it all together. the standard is not something that takes your breath away. as contests, they just don't compel in terms of the skills on show, nor does the physical
demands required jar you much at all. on the other hand, the hardest fought games have been wonderful to behold, full of drama and fantastic exhibitions of fitness and endeavour. tbh, most of the time i find the games played in the traditional way boring. there's nothing strategically interesting about them and a lot of it is just plain dull.

If you believe that then you're no fan of football. There were a number of good games this year and loads last year. The worst thing about Donegal's style of play is that to beat it you have to mirror it. It's nonsense to claim inventive coaches can break it down as Donegal are simply filling up the scoring zone with bodies and won't come out. So to beat them you have to keep players back and hope you pick up a few handy frees or a goal to win the game.

There is nothing inventive, courageous or exciting about Donegal's tactics. It is simply filling up the scoring zone which reduces the need for individual defensive ability and needs no attacking strategy. The only good thing is it won't be successful in the longterm.

i geddit. if i don't agree you, i'm no fan of football. what nonsense. being critical of something can come from a deep love of something to be all that it aspires to be and can be. your argument is like the one you hear from those who say being critical of a government is unpatriotic and therefore this criticism can only come from someone who doesn't belong to the country  they are criticising.

and i disagree with you every thing else too btw. i can't even be bothered to say why i disagree with you because it's clear you've made your mind up about what attributes are worthwhile and what aren't.

some quotes for all the positive types on the board to get stuck into. enjoy!

http://www.quotegarden.com/change.html



 

seafoid

Quote from: Jinxy on September 05, 2011, 04:31:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2011, 04:02:06 PM
Keith Duggan is very sharp. He skewered O Rourke, Brolly and Spillane so elegantly. 

The RTE coverage is really jaded.  It's smugness all the way.
Spillane wouldn't get the job if it was private sector. He's a buffoon. 

Gaelic football today is a real mess. It doesn't seem to be going anywhere as a sport.
Hurling is far more sure of itself.

It isn't in Galway anyway.  :P
I was trying to figure out what went wrong in Meath. Was it a misallocation of resources from fuball and teaching to shopping centre construction ?

Zulu

Eh???

You said you find 'traditional' games, which I presume you mean 15 v 15 games, uninspiring and that teams only have one or two skilful players. That sounds like a man who isn't much of a football fan. I never said it was because we disagree and only someone who wants to be insulted would interpret that way.

What else do you disagree with? You claim you can't be bothered because I've my mind made up yet you laud one kind of football and label other types boring, so which of us our mind made up?

You're a donegal man and it is understandable you might defend them but this isn't about Donegal but about the style of football they currently play. You can talk all you like about 'fitness and endeavour' but most of us want that and more and we can have it. Donegal's football is unimaginative and full of fear, the Kildare game was tremendous, the Dublin game was fascinating in some ways but most of Donegal's games lacked everything you claim they had.

muppet

MWWSI 2017

mylestheslasher

Quote from: Zulu on September 05, 2011, 05:26:31 PM
Eh???

You said you find 'traditional' games, which I presume you mean 15 v 15 games, uninspiring and that teams only have one or two skilful players. That sounds like a man who isn't much of a football fan. I never said it was because we disagree and only someone who wants to be insulted would interpret that way.

What else do you disagree with? You claim you can't be bothered because I've my mind made up yet you laud one kind of football and label other types boring, so which of us our mind made up?

You're a donegal man and it is understandable you might defend them but this isn't about Donegal but about the style of football they currently play. You can talk all you like about 'fitness and endeavour' but most of us want that and more and we can have it. Donegal's football is unimaginative and full of fear, the Kildare game was tremendous, the Dublin game was fascinating in some ways but most of Donegal's games lacked everything you claim they had.

Well said zulu. Cadence is away with the fairies

samwin08

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These Nualas are using their "erotic capital" to earn €1000.00 to €1500.00 a shift of our TV licence. Shame on RTE for allowing this. [Edited Mod3].

Samwin08, I have no problems with people giving their opinion on these lads as pundits, and their style of punditry, but some things are out of bounds and that is one of them.