All-Ireland Senior Football final - Kerry v Dublin 18/09/2011

[squire_in_navy_slacks]

Who penned or worded this "A dublin win" would be good for the GAA..................?

Colm oRourke........................ more country folk hot air, get over yourselves muldoons, ye will have your shot at kerry next year perhaps

[Bingo]

I am pretty sure that the "Dublin win be good for the GAA" has to do with the PR battle (or lack of it) for the hearts and minds of the major population centre of the country ie Dublin. In the recent past they have taken a beating from the Rugby and even the soccer crowd eg Shamrock Rovers, premiership, Trappatoni etc

It'll be good for the GAA in that the major media outlets will be all over it as opposed to been all over a rugby win or soccer story. The likelihood is that next year the olympics will hog the headlines and perhaps the Euro's, so if the Dublin GAA machine rolls on, then they will have something to compete with these huge events.

I also believe that it is the same media who has created the "good for GAA" impression.

[brokencrossbar1]

All this BS about the GAA needing a Dublin AI win is sickening.  Why do we need an AI win?  They have made 4 of the 6 AI finals in both codes at minor, u21 and senior level.  They have become probably the only real true dual county outside of Cork at the minute. 

*Ahem*

You're forgetting some county that has already won both a football and a hurling All-Ireland this year. Not to mention going for a 3rd next weekend. Dublin and Cork have yet to win one.

Apolgies Galway!

[sheamy]

All this BS about the GAA needing a Dublin AI win is sickening.  Why do we need an AI win?  They have made 4 of the 6 AI finals in both codes at minor, u21 and senior level.  They have become probably the only real true dual county outside of Cork at the minute. 

*Ahem*

You're forgetting some county that has already won both a football and a hurling All-Ireland this year. Not to mention going for a 3rd next weekend. Dublin and Cork have yet to win one.

Apolgies Galway!

Tipperary anyone? Munster u21 football 2010. AI minor football final 2011 etc...

[GalwayBayBoy]

All this BS about the GAA needing a Dublin AI win is sickening.  Why do we need an AI win?  They have made 4 of the 6 AI finals in both codes at minor, u21 and senior level.  They have become probably the only real true dual county outside of Cork at the minute. 

*Ahem*

You're forgetting some county that has already won both a football and a hurling All-Ireland this year. Not to mention going for a 3rd next weekend. Dublin and Cork have yet to win one.

Apolgies Galway!

No worries. Only pulling your leg.

[Jinxy]

I am pretty sure that the "Dublin win be good for the GAA" has to do with the PR battle (or lack of it) for the hearts and minds of the major population centre of the country ie Dublin. In the recent past they have taken a beating from the Rugby and even the soccer crowd eg Shamrock Rovers, premiership, Trappatoni etc

It'll be good for the GAA in that the major media outlets will be all over it as opposed to been all over a rugby win or soccer story. The likelihood is that next year the olympics will hog the headlines and perhaps the Euro's, so if the Dublin GAA machine rolls on, then they will have something to compete with these huge events.

I also believe that it is the same media who has created the "good for GAA" impression.

How so?

[Bingo]

I am pretty sure that the "Dublin win be good for the GAA" has to do with the PR battle (or lack of it) for the hearts and minds of the major population centre of the country ie Dublin. In the recent past they have taken a beating from the Rugby and even the soccer crowd eg Shamrock Rovers, premiership, Trappatoni etc

It'll be good for the GAA in that the major media outlets will be all over it as opposed to been all over a rugby win or soccer story. The likelihood is that next year the olympics will hog the headlines and perhaps the Euro's, so if the Dublin GAA machine rolls on, then they will have something to compete with these huge events.

I also believe that it is the same media who has created the "good for GAA" impression.

How so?

In terms of PR, media focus, achievements, attractiveness.
Rugby have been crowned triple crown champs, grand slam winners, 6 nations winners, Leinster/Munster have won European cup, Gonnacht will now play European cup - huge progress on the rugby front in last 6/7 winners, consistantly reaching higher levels. Get huge exposure as a result plus they are back in their shiny new stadium.
Dublin now has a domestic soccer club that has broken the mould and will be playing in European competition for a prolonged period, Rovers were a huge club and their emergence and secure base will only see them going from strengyh to strength in a massive ctachment area. Will the domestic game is a mess, there is signs of clubs getting back to basics but still maintaining "standards" - selling players to UK clubs again, competing in europe. The international team are also in emergence - last weekends tabloids were more focused on the Irish game than the hurling final.

The ground the GAA can make is limited - it has no higher achievement level than an All-Ireland. It can't enter unchartered ground like the other sports have. They are constantly chopping and changing their own structures ie NFL, NHL in order to make them attractive and are failing, they are repeated calls for changes to their blue-ribon competition to make it more attractive. County boards are falling into debt chasing wild dreams. The Dublin winning an All-Ireland will give the profile a massive lift, once again the culchies will have an excuse to hate the Dubs, they'll be everyones rivals, croker be full again for leinster matches, the jersey be worn everywhere and the PR companies will look to the Dub players as well as the Leinster rugby boys.

[Hardy]

Dublin winning an All-Ireland will give the profile a massive lift ... the jersey be worn everywhere and the PR companies will look to the Dub players as well as the Leinster rugby boys.

An appalling vista.

[Bingo]

Dublin winning an All-Ireland will give the profile a massive lift ... the jersey be worn everywhere and the PR companies will look to the Dub players as well as the Leinster rugby boys.

An appalling vista.

Could be worse....could be Banty 

[Jinxy]

I am pretty sure that the "Dublin win be good for the GAA" has to do with the PR battle (or lack of it) for the hearts and minds of the major population centre of the country ie Dublin. In the recent past they have taken a beating from the Rugby and even the soccer crowd eg Shamrock Rovers, premiership, Trappatoni etc

It'll be good for the GAA in that the major media outlets will be all over it as opposed to been all over a rugby win or soccer story. The likelihood is that next year the olympics will hog the headlines and perhaps the Euro's, so if the Dublin GAA machine rolls on, then they will have something to compete with these huge events.

I also believe that it is the same media who has created the "good for GAA" impression.

How so?

In terms of PR, media focus, achievements, attractiveness.
Rugby have been crowned triple crown champs, grand slam winners, 6 nations winners, Leinster/Munster have won European cup, Gonnacht will now play European cup - huge progress on the rugby front in last 6/7 winners, consistantly reaching higher levels. Get huge exposure as a result plus they are back in their shiny new stadium.
Dublin now has a domestic soccer club that has broken the mould and will be playing in European competition for a prolonged period, Rovers were a huge club and their emergence and secure base will only see them going from strengyh to strength in a massive ctachment area. Will the domestic game is a mess, there is signs of clubs getting back to basics but still maintaining "standards" - selling players to UK clubs again, competing in europe. The international team are also in emergence - last weekends tabloids were more focused on the Irish game than the hurling final.

The ground the GAA can make is limited - it has no higher achievement level than an All-Ireland. It can't enter unchartered ground like the other sports have. They are constantly chopping and changing their own structures ie NFL, NHL in order to make them attractive and are failing, they are repeated calls for changes to their blue-ribon competition to make it more attractive. County boards are falling into debt chasing wild dreams. The Dublin winning an All-Ireland will give the profile a massive lift, once again the culchies will have an excuse to hate the Dubs, they'll be everyones rivals, croker be full again for leinster matches, the jersey be worn everywhere and the PR companies will look to the Dub players as well as the Leinster rugby boys.

If Dublin win the All Ireland (which would be great for the GAA by the way) how many people do you think they'll get on the streets of Dublin?
Contrast this with the number that welcomed the victorious Leinster rugby team that won the Heineken Cup (twice), back to Dublin (a few thousand).
I'm blue in the face telling people that rugbys popularity has reached a plateau.
They came from a pretty low base and fair play to them for increasing participation and ramping up their marketing efforts.
But in terms of this country, it still lags way beind the other 3 major sports in terms of the interest of the general public.
Massive media campaigns have managed to convince some people otherwise but it's just an illusion.
When was the last time the nation went bananas over anything rugby related, a la last years Leinster final or the hand of Henry?
Most people want Irish teams to do well in the rugby, which is understandable, but in terms of participation it's small-fry.
Most people that go to Croke Park have played the games they are watching or are still involved in some capacity.
Most people that go to the Aviva haven't played the game they are watching and have no intention of playing it or joining a club.
It's just another event to attend and a good excuse to have a few pints with the lads.
Don't let Ryle Nugent and his rugby school chums in the media fool you into thinking otherwise.

[AZOffaly]

Jinxy, you might be right, but I don't think we can be complacent. My own personal experiences wouldn't tally with such an optimistic outlook. Here in Newport, Co. Tipp, we have a strong rugby club which competes (albeit in a collaborative way) for the affections of the local young lads, and a soccer club which competes (in a slightly more adversarial way, on both sides) for the same affections.

Then take my home club of Ferbane, in County Offaly. With the introduction of Rugby into the school it has gone great guns, with the school team even winning a Connacht Senior Schools Cup. We've seen the creation of a (friendly) rugby club in the town (The West Offaly Lions) and we've seen a definite pull on players affections and commitments.

Ironically in Ferbane, the IRFU may have cut their own throat by forcing the teams to play in Leinster now, rather than the spiritual home which was Connacht thanks to the link with Buccaneers, but since Rugby took off in Ferbane, we have had more people capped for Irish Rugby teams at various levels than have represented Offaly, certainly at senior level.

I do think Rugby may have reached it's level, and may even settle a little if Munster and Leinster, especially, go into a rut but I still wouldn't be blasé about the fact that they attract young players.

[Frank Casey]

Anyway, to get back to the subject of the thread.

Yerra we've a rake of injuries.

[GalwayBayBoy]

I am pretty sure that the "Dublin win be good for the GAA" has to do with the PR battle (or lack of it) for the hearts and minds of the major population centre of the country ie Dublin. In the recent past they have taken a beating from the Rugby and even the soccer crowd eg Shamrock Rovers, premiership, Trappatoni etc

It'll be good for the GAA in that the major media outlets will be all over it as opposed to been all over a rugby win or soccer story. The likelihood is that next year the olympics will hog the headlines and perhaps the Euro's, so if the Dublin GAA machine rolls on, then they will have something to compete with these huge events.

I also believe that it is the same media who has created the "good for GAA" impression.

How so?

In terms of PR, media focus, achievements, attractiveness.
Rugby have been crowned triple crown champs, grand slam winners, 6 nations winners, Leinster/Munster have won European cup, Gonnacht will now play European cup - huge progress on the rugby front in last 6/7 winners, consistantly reaching higher levels. Get huge exposure as a result plus they are back in their shiny new stadium.
Dublin now has a domestic soccer club that has broken the mould and will be playing in European competition for a prolonged period, Rovers were a huge club and their emergence and secure base will only see them going from strengyh to strength in a massive ctachment area. Will the domestic game is a mess, there is signs of clubs getting back to basics but still maintaining "standards" - selling players to UK clubs again, competing in europe. The international team are also in emergence - last weekends tabloids were more focused on the Irish game than the hurling final.

The ground the GAA can make is limited - it has no higher achievement level than an All-Ireland. It can't enter unchartered ground like the other sports have. They are constantly chopping and changing their own structures ie NFL, NHL in order to make them attractive and are failing, they are repeated calls for changes to their blue-ribon competition to make it more attractive. County boards are falling into debt chasing wild dreams. The Dublin winning an All-Ireland will give the profile a massive lift, once again the culchies will have an excuse to hate the Dubs, they'll be everyones rivals, croker be full again for leinster matches, the jersey be worn everywhere and the PR companies will look to the Dub players as well as the Leinster rugby boys.

If Dublin win the All Ireland (which would be great for the GAA by the way) how many people do you think they'll get on the streets of Dublin?
Contrast this with the number that welcomed the victorious Leinster rugby team that won the Heineken Cup (twice), back to Dublin (a few thousand).

Might have had something to with 30,000+ Leinster fans still stuck in Cardiff or still making their way home.

[Jinxy]

Jinxy, you might be right, but I don't think we can be complacent. My own personal experiences wouldn't tally with such an optimistic outlook. Here in Newport, Co. Tipp, we have a strong rugby club which competes (albeit in a collaborative way) for the affections of the local young lads, and a soccer club which competes (in a slightly more adversarial way, on both sides) for the same affections.

Then take my home club of Ferbane, in County Offaly. With the introduction of Rugby into the school it has gone great guns, with the school team even winning a Connacht Senior Schools Cup. We've seen the creation of a (friendly) rugby club in the town (The West Offaly Lions) and we've seen a definite pull on players affections and commitments.

Ironically in Ferbane, the IRFU may have cut their own throat by forcing the teams to play in Leinster now, rather than the spiritual home which was Connacht thanks to the link with Buccaneers, but since Rugby took off in Ferbane, we have had more people capped for Irish Rugby teams at various levels than have represented Offaly, certainly at senior level.

I do think Rugby may have reached it's level, and may even settle a little if Munster and Leinster, especially, go into a rut but I still wouldn't be blasé about the fact that they attract young players.

I'll be as blasé as I want!

[Jinxy]

I am pretty sure that the "Dublin win be good for the GAA" has to do with the PR battle (or lack of it) for the hearts and minds of the major population centre of the country ie Dublin. In the recent past they have taken a beating from the Rugby and even the soccer crowd eg Shamrock Rovers, premiership, Trappatoni etc

It'll be good for the GAA in that the major media outlets will be all over it as opposed to been all over a rugby win or soccer story. The likelihood is that next year the olympics will hog the headlines and perhaps the Euro's, so if the Dublin GAA machine rolls on, then they will have something to compete with these huge events.

I also believe that it is the same media who has created the "good for GAA" impression.

How so?

In terms of PR, media focus, achievements, attractiveness.
Rugby have been crowned triple crown champs, grand slam winners, 6 nations winners, Leinster/Munster have won European cup, Gonnacht will now play European cup - huge progress on the rugby front in last 6/7 winners, consistantly reaching higher levels. Get huge exposure as a result plus they are back in their shiny new stadium.
Dublin now has a domestic soccer club that has broken the mould and will be playing in European competition for a prolonged period, Rovers were a huge club and their emergence and secure base will only see them going from strengyh to strength in a massive ctachment area. Will the domestic game is a mess, there is signs of clubs getting back to basics but still maintaining "standards" - selling players to UK clubs again, competing in europe. The international team are also in emergence - last weekends tabloids were more focused on the Irish game than the hurling final.

The ground the GAA can make is limited - it has no higher achievement level than an All-Ireland. It can't enter unchartered ground like the other sports have. They are constantly chopping and changing their own structures ie NFL, NHL in order to make them attractive and are failing, they are repeated calls for changes to their blue-ribon competition to make it more attractive. County boards are falling into debt chasing wild dreams. The Dublin winning an All-Ireland will give the profile a massive lift, once again the culchies will have an excuse to hate the Dubs, they'll be everyones rivals, croker be full again for leinster matches, the jersey be worn everywhere and the PR companies will look to the Dub players as well as the Leinster rugby boys.

If Dublin win the All Ireland (which would be great for the GAA by the way) how many people do you think they'll get on the streets of Dublin?
Contrast this with the number that welcomed the victorious Leinster rugby team that won the Heineken Cup (twice), back to Dublin (a few thousand).

Might have had something to with 30,000+ Leinster fans still stuck in Cardiff or still making their way home.

The lads I knew that were at it (who actually play rugby) all made it back for the homecoming.