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Nally Stand

"The island of saints & scholars...and gombeens & fuckin' arselickers" Christy Moore

Nally Stand

"The island of saints & scholars...and gombeens & fuckin' arselickers" Christy Moore

Nally Stand

"The island of saints & scholars...and gombeens & fuckin' arselickers" Christy Moore

Nally Stand

"The island of saints & scholars...and gombeens & fuckin' arselickers" Christy Moore

Nally Stand

"The island of saints & scholars...and gombeens & fuckin' arselickers" Christy Moore

Nally Stand

"The island of saints & scholars...and gombeens & fuckin' arselickers" Christy Moore

camanchero

Good man Nally.
It is only right to remember the huge sacrifice of these Irish heroes.
History will fondly remember them just as it now does with the 1916 heroes.

Apparently so

Thanks for posting the diary up

Always an inspiration to read

God Bless the 10. Irelands finest

Myles Na G.

Quote from: camanchero on March 06, 2013, 03:14:36 PM
Good man Nally.
It is only right to remember the huge sacrifice of these Irish heroes.
History will fondly remember them just as it now does with the 1916 heroes.
Only if they get Danny Morrison in to write the history texts.   

Nally Stand

"The island of saints & scholars...and gombeens & fuckin' arselickers" Christy Moore

Nally Stand

"The island of saints & scholars...and gombeens & fuckin' arselickers" Christy Moore

stew

Quote from: Myles Na G. on March 06, 2013, 06:23:07 PM
Quote from: camanchero on March 06, 2013, 03:14:36 PM
Good man Nally.
It is only right to remember the huge sacrifice of these Irish heroes.
History will fondly remember them just as it now does with the 1916 heroes.
Only if they get Danny Morrison in to write the history texts.

Whats your opinion on the torture Sands writes about?

Dont get me started on revisionist history, the brits wouldnt know the truth if it jumped up and bit them on the ass, especially when it comes to us!
Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

Myles Na G.

Quote from: stew on March 08, 2013, 07:27:06 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on March 06, 2013, 06:23:07 PM
Quote from: camanchero on March 06, 2013, 03:14:36 PM
Good man Nally.
It is only right to remember the huge sacrifice of these Irish heroes.
History will fondly remember them just as it now does with the 1916 heroes.
Only if they get Danny Morrison in to write the history texts.

Whats your opinion on the torture Sands writes about?

Dont get me started on revisionist history, the brits wouldnt know the truth if it jumped up and bit them on the ass, especially when it comes to us!
1. I'm against torture.
2. All written history is revisionist to some degree. Bit like beauty, it's all in the eye of the beholder.
3. Do you still believe that Bobby wrote that stuff?

lynchbhoy

Apart from his heroic brave last stand that cost him his life as a hunger striker, Bobby Sands from IMO a position of low formal education wrote way above what he previously would have been expected. From the song 'back home in Derry' to the tomes as reproduced by Nally Stand on this thread.

Not only could the man write, but so well did he articulate his opinion and perspective on all things republican and political that he 'converted' numerous men from being academically 'apolitical' to become apreciative followers and avid readers of history/political publication.
He also impressed INLA men so much that they jumped the idealistic divide from irsp constituents to more mainstream republican idealology.

These days the fight over the five demands seems so small and silly modern day folk would wonder why this second hunger strike was commissioned.
Against the wishes of external IRA and INLA army councils these men volunteered and wouldn't be told to stand down. Their eventual posthumous victory of the five demands was the first salvo that cracked the apartheid type statelet as it was then.
This resulted in the deconstruction of the sectarian state and gave rise to the eventual peace that was brokered and sits there today giving decent life to all people's in the north of Ireland-- which was the desire behind the hunger strikers action.
Eventual reunification will come but only at a time of economic viability.
That will be in due course. We have come a long way and this final step is inevitable, and we can give thanks to the brave hunger strikers for kick starting all of this and helping create the peace that exists today!
..........

Myles Na G.

Quote from: lynchbhoy on March 08, 2013, 11:44:43 PM
Apart from his heroic brave last stand that cost him his life as a hunger striker, Bobby Sands from IMO a position of low formal education wrote way above what he previously would have been expected. From the song 'back home in Derry' to the tomes as reproduced by Nally Stand on this thread.

Not only could the man write, but so well did he articulate his opinion and perspective on all things republican and political that he 'converted' numerous men from being academically 'apolitical' to become apreciative followers and avid readers of history/political publication.
He also impressed INLA men so much that they jumped the idealistic divide from irsp constituents to more mainstream republican idealology.

These days the fight over the five demands seems so small and silly modern day folk would wonder why this second hunger strike was commissioned.
Against the wishes of external IRA and INLA army councils these men volunteered and wouldn't be told to stand down. Their eventual posthumous victory of the five demands was the first salvo that cracked the apartheid type statelet as it was then.
This resulted in the deconstruction of the sectarian state and gave rise to the eventual peace that was brokered and sits there today giving decent life to all people's in the north of Ireland-- which was the desire behind the hunger strikers action.
Eventual reunification will come but only at a time of economic viability.
That will be in due course. We have come a long way and this final step is inevitable, and we can give thanks to the brave hunger strikers for kick starting all of this and helping create the peace that exists today!
The Northern Ireland state had cracked and broken years before the hunger strike. Stormont had fallen in the early 70s and the British government had introduced a whole raft of equality legislation in employment and housing which made NI a comparatively 'equal' society. A power sharing assembly (i.e like the one the Shinners take part in now) was on offer in the mid 70s. It was rejected by loyalists led by Paisley and by Irish republicans, who wanted nothing short of Brits Out and a 32 country republic. If the hunger strike and election of Sands achieved anything, it showed republican leaders like Adams and McGuiness that there was a political route out of the hole they'd dug for themselves. They took it. Now we have a whole raft of equality legislation and a power sharing assembly. The British Army has left our streets, but NI remains a part of the UK and and a UI is as far away as it's ever been. Wonder if Bobby Sands and the others would've thought their lives were worth offering up for that?

As for Bobby being a fantastic scholar / songwriter / etc etc. Anyone who believes that probably still reads the autobiographies of premiership footballers in the belief that they're written personally by Wayne, or Lamps, or Stevie G. A young man who wasn't able to spell the name of the school he attended and who made countless grammatical mistakes in the original comms that have been made available to journalists and writers, doesn't suddenly become a polished writer and diarist. Grow up.