Jarlath Burns

[general_lee]

The primary responsibility of leadership in the GAA is one of stewardship. We are all duty bound
to develop the Association for future generations such that it is safely handed on better and
stronger than before, with its aims and ethos safeguarded and bolstered.

Kyle Hayes is under the stewardship of Limerick management - we're told. I guess the aims and ethos are to run with the fox and hunt with the hounds. Thanks for clearing that up Jarlath

Do we take a carte blanche approach then to crimes committed by GAA members or how would you broach the subject?

People keep bringing up Kyle Hayes but how are the idiotic actions of a 21 year old man-child (for which he was convicted) comparable to serious domestic violence allegations?

Not every crime or misdemeanour is the same, do we allow them all or do we draw a line somewhere?

A conviction for serious physical assault should really trump something that has never gone further than a post on Facebook.

Depends how you look at it. Years of domestic violence is a lot more serious than a fight on a night out.

My rationale is that Kyle Hayes went through the legal process and in the eyes of the law has been sufficiently punished and rehabilitated. I think what he did was a cúntish thing to do but we'd all be lying to ourselves if we said he was the only intercounty footballer to ever get in a scrap on a night out.

Has he been rehabilitated? He didn't get into a 'scrap' though, if that was the case he'd have not went to court and be convicted of assault. Not sure why you are downplaying that.

Not sure why Jarlath chooses to attack one over the other.

If my kid was on the end of that assault I'd be looking at the GAA to be as even handed in their approach

I don't know. Probably not. I'm not downplaying anything, just stating the fact that 21 year old males are mentally underdeveloped in terms of maturity. His charges were reduced (acquitted of assault) but that's irrelevant. Someone in Kyle Hayes position - young, impressionable, stupid, immature, etc might be better served getting a bit of mentorship, guidance and positive influences such as remaining a part of his team instead of going straight to jail for a first offence.

If Kyle Hayes' situation is the exact same as RG's (conviction aside) then I have to disagree. I'm not saying RG should be permanently excluded from the GAA but surely something more robust than "the PPS don't think he has a case to answer so fire away" has to be in place.

[tiempo]

I can't help thinking Jarlath got involved to try and show that he's  doing what he can to protect  women (in particular), given  that the GAA/LGFA/Camogie merge is  happening. Maybe he would have faced a backlash  had he not said something, given that violence against women has been  such a  prominent issue lately

TUS researchers have commissioned a focus group of 13-18yo boys to gather views on women's sport and exercise, I shit you not.

The goal is to create a schism, problems where they don't exist based on the views of pubescent children, honest to f**k that's verging on child abuse of you ask me.

Kids want to anywhere but answering f**king questions in a focus group about views they haven't formed. If a secondary school teacher ran the topic in a classroom they'd be challenged on it for relevance and professional standards when parents got wind

[Armagh18]

If you're going down the Kyle Hayes route, what about McFaul? Derry CB getting an email soon? Maybe Malachy O'Rourke's decision making called into question?

What way did McFauls case fare up?

[Tony Baloney]

The primary responsibility of leadership in the GAA is one of stewardship. We are all duty bound
to develop the Association for future generations such that it is safely handed on better and
stronger than before, with its aims and ethos safeguarded and bolstered.

Kyle Hayes is under the stewardship of Limerick management - we're told. I guess the aims and ethos are to run with the fox and hunt with the hounds. Thanks for clearing that up Jarlath

Do we take a carte blanche approach then to crimes committed by GAA members or how would you broach the subject?

People keep bringing up Kyle Hayes but how are the idiotic actions of a 21 year old man-child (for which he was convicted) comparable to serious domestic violence allegations?

Not every crime or misdemeanour is the same, do we allow them all or do we draw a line somewhere?

A conviction for serious physical assault should really trump something that has never gone further than a post on Facebook.

Depends how you look at it. Years of domestic violence is a lot more serious than a fight on a night out.

My rationale is that Kyle Hayes went through the legal process and in the eyes of the law has been sufficiently punished and rehabilitated. I think what he did was a cúntish thing to do but we'd all be lying to ourselves if we said he was the only intercounty footballer to ever get in a scrap on a night out.

Has he been rehabilitated? He didn't get into a 'scrap' though, if that was the case he'd have not went to court and be convicted of assault. Not sure why you are downplaying that.

Not sure why Jarlath chooses to attack one over the other.

If my kid was on the end of that assault I'd be looking at the GAA to be as even handed in their approach

I don't know. Probably not. I'm not downplaying anything, just stating the fact that 21 year old males are mentally underdeveloped in terms of maturity. His charges were reduced (acquitted of assault) but that's irrelevant. Someone in Kyle Hayes position - young, impressionable, stupid, immature, etc might be better served getting a bit of mentorship, guidance and positive influences such as remaining a part of his team instead of going straight to jail for a first offence.

If Kyle Hayes' situation is the exact same as RG's (conviction aside) then I have to disagree. I'm not saying RG should be permanently excluded from the GAA but surely something more robust than "the PPS don't think he has a case to answer so fire away" has to be in place.

So...an ex-partner of yours says on Facebook that you knocked her about. Police check it out and can find no evidence of it being true. Do you on the basis of that alone, think it would be fair to exclude you from employment or a promotion within your own workplace, on the basis of "no smoke without fire"?

We have seen many times that cancel culture on the basis of an allegation is a very dangerous game.

Burns says there is no interest in cancel culture but then went out of his way to send that message to Naas with every intention of "cancelling" RG.

[imtommygunn]

The idiotic actions could have caused brain damage or even worse death never mind the impact of the trauma itself. Hayes crimes should not be downplayed.

[Dubh driocht]

Jarlath was excellent last night, just as he has been for the last 30 years. We are lucky to have him

[tiempo]

Jarlath was excellent last night, just as he has been for the last 30 years. We are lucky to have him

When Jarlath has posts deleted on GAA board I think this one might avoid the cull

No worries Mrs Burns

[Dubh driocht]

I can assure you I'm not !
Sometimes in Ireland we aren't great at recognising and acknowledging talent. I'm prone to begrudgery as much as anyone, and have used it as a player and coach to knock themuns off their perch. But sometimes you have to step back and acknowledge excellence; be it the Canavans last week or Jarlath last night, fair play.

[seafoid]

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/0117/1491533-burns-wont-retract-naas-email-despite-gallagher-threat/

[Dubh driocht]

As the link from Seafoid highlights, Jarlath is sure of his ground.  I will be very surprised if the threat from RG and his legal representative ends up in a court. RG has made a number of bad decisions .

[tiempo]

Jarlath lost his first tilt at election to President because of his posturing on flags and anthems, that evidently did not sit well within the organisation. It was far from excellent. Ironically he hasnt followed up on that theme while in office, being principled clearly has its place but easily cast aside when it's not politically expedient.

The decision to admonish the Naas chairperson was undemocratic, and hypocritical while giving patronage to Kyle Hayes. Last night Jarlath gave himself a bye ball on a situation where he clearly overstepped. Jarlath is posturing again.

Jarlath has so many virtues but bringing a national media circuis to the Gallagher family door to rubber stamp a new initiative creates further trauma that was uncalled for, trauma that he doesnt have to process, that he doesn't have to live with and that he cannot control. A simple apology to the Gallagher family would probably suffice and bring the malaise to an end.

[Milltown Row2]

The primary responsibility of leadership in the GAA is one of stewardship. We are all duty bound
to develop the Association for future generations such that it is safely handed on better and
stronger than before, with its aims and ethos safeguarded and bolstered.

Kyle Hayes is under the stewardship of Limerick management - we're told. I guess the aims and ethos are to run with the fox and hunt with the hounds. Thanks for clearing that up Jarlath

Do we take a carte blanche approach then to crimes committed by GAA members or how would you broach the subject?

People keep bringing up Kyle Hayes but how are the idiotic actions of a 21 year old man-child (for which he was convicted) comparable to serious domestic violence allegations?

Not every crime or misdemeanour is the same, do we allow them all or do we draw a line somewhere?

A conviction for serious physical assault should really trump something that has never gone further than a post on Facebook.

Depends how you look at it. Years of domestic violence is a lot more serious than a fight on a night out.

My rationale is that Kyle Hayes went through the legal process and in the eyes of the law has been sufficiently punished and rehabilitated. I think what he did was a cúntish thing to do but we'd all be lying to ourselves if we said he was the only intercounty footballer to ever get in a scrap on a night out.

Has he been rehabilitated? He didn't get into a 'scrap' though, if that was the case he'd have not went to court and be convicted of assault. Not sure why you are downplaying that.

Not sure why Jarlath chooses to attack one over the other.

If my kid was on the end of that assault I'd be looking at the GAA to be as even handed in their approach

I don't know. Probably not. I'm not downplaying anything, just stating the fact that 21 year old males are mentally underdeveloped in terms of maturity. His charges were reduced (acquitted of assault) but that's irrelevant. Someone in Kyle Hayes position - young, impressionable, stupid, immature, etc might be better served getting a bit of mentorship, guidance and positive influences such as remaining a part of his team instead of going straight to jail for a first offence.

If Kyle Hayes' situation is the exact same as RG's (conviction aside) then I have to disagree. I'm not saying RG should be permanently excluded from the GAA but surely something more robust than "the PPS don't think he has a case to answer so fire away" has to be in place.

So...an ex-partner of yours says on Facebook that you knocked her about. Police check it out and can find no evidence of it being true. Do you on the basis of that alone, think it would be fair to exclude you from employment or a promotion within your own workplace, on the basis of "no smoke without fire"?

We have seen many times that cancel culture on the basis of an allegation is a very dangerous game.

Burns says there is no interest in cancel culture but then went out of his way to send that message to Naas with every intention of "cancelling" RG.

But it's ok if you're 21 and underdeveloped to punch people around!!

f**k me!! Some people

[armaghniac]

The decision to admonish the Naas chairperson was undemocratic, and hypocritical while giving patronage to Kyle Hayes. Last night Jarlath gave himself a bye ball on a situation where he clearly overstepped. Jarlath is posturing again.

Do you think that he was first GAA President to call someone about something? As he said himself, the club can either listen to him or not.

[tiempo]

The decision to admonish the Naas chairperson was undemocratic, and hypocritical while giving patronage to Kyle Hayes. Last night Jarlath gave himself a bye ball on a situation where he clearly overstepped. Jarlath is posturing again.

Do you think that he was first GAA President to call someone about something? As he said himself, the club can either listen to him or not.

On the small matter of due process and the life of a mother father and 3 children he wades in

On the big ticket items, All Stars, he wants the selectors have their autonomy, na'er to hold sway on such important matters

[Armagh18]

The decision to admonish the Naas chairperson was undemocratic, and hypocritical while giving patronage to Kyle Hayes. Last night Jarlath gave himself a bye ball on a situation where he clearly overstepped. Jarlath is posturing again.

Do you think that he was first GAA President to call someone about something? As he said himself, the club can either listen to him or not.

Realistically most clubs will follow the lead of the chairman of the GAA if he sticks his nose in. Wish they had the stones to tell him where to stick his opinion lol.