Jarlath Burns

[tiempo]

The decision to admonish the Naas chairperson was undemocratic, and hypocritical while giving patronage to Kyle Hayes. Last night Jarlath gave himself a bye ball on a situation where he clearly overstepped. Jarlath is posturing again.

Do you think that he was first GAA President to call someone about something? As he said himself, the club can either listen to him or not.

Realistically most clubs will follow the lead of the chairman of the GAA if he sticks his nose in. Wish they had the stones to tell him where to stick his opinion lol.

To be fair I think the actions of the Naas chair is one of the positives, an unsolicited call to apply pressure isn't an easy place to be, he asks for concerns in writing, then acted accordingly, but the intervention is now a matter of record, no hiding in the long grass as Jarlath preferred before sending his 'private' email

[trueblue1234]

The decision to admonish the Naas chairperson was undemocratic, and hypocritical while giving patronage to Kyle Hayes. Last night Jarlath gave himself a bye ball on a situation where he clearly overstepped. Jarlath is posturing again.

Do you think that he was first GAA President to call someone about something? As he said himself, the club can either listen to him or not.

Realistically most clubs will follow the lead of the chairman of the GAA if he sticks his nose in. Wish they had the stones to tell him where to stick his opinion lol.

To be fair I think the actions of the Naas chair is one of the positives, an unsolicited call to apply pressure isn't an easy place to be, he asks for concerns in writing, then acted accordingly, but the intervention is now a matter of record, no hiding in the long grass as Jarlath preferred before sending his 'private' email

I don't think Naas can come out of this positively at all. I personally don't think that JB should have interfered given the delicate nature of the subject and many unknowns. But that said, Nass should have had the gumption to stay clear, given what has been said and the clear possibility of what RG could have done. Just don't put yourself into that position, where it looks like you're ignoring the allegations. I'm sure there had to be other options that wouldn't bring the circus to town.

[Milltown Row2]

Yeah, hearsay is worse than actual convictions.

Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one

[Solo_run]

Haven't been following this at all. Did Jarlath intervene or did he write a letter to Naas expressing concern?

[mrdeeds]

Haven't been following this at all. Did Jarlath intervene or did he write a letter to Naas expressing concern?

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[Saffron_sam20]

The primary responsibility of leadership in the GAA is one of stewardship. We are all duty bound
to develop the Association for future generations such that it is safely handed on better and
stronger than before, with its aims and ethos safeguarded and bolstered.

Kyle Hayes is under the stewardship of Limerick management - we're told. I guess the aims and ethos are to run with the fox and hunt with the hounds. Thanks for clearing that up Jarlath

Do we take a carte blanche approach then to crimes committed by GAA members or how would you broach the subject?

People keep bringing up Kyle Hayes but how are the idiotic actions of a 21 year old man-child (for which he was convicted) comparable to serious domestic violence allegations?

Not every crime or misdemeanour is the same, do we allow them all or do we draw a line somewhere?

A conviction for serious physical assault should really trump something that has never gone further than a post on Facebook.

Depends how you look at it. Years of domestic violence is a lot more serious than a fight on a night out.

My rationale is that Kyle Hayes went through the legal process and in the eyes of the law has been sufficiently punished and rehabilitated. I think what he did was a cúntish thing to do but we'd all be lying to ourselves if we said he was the only intercounty footballer to ever get in a scrap on a night out.

Has he been rehabilitated? He didn't get into a 'scrap' though, if that was the case he'd have not went to court and be convicted of assault. Not sure why you are downplaying that.

Not sure why Jarlath chooses to attack one over the other.

If my kid was on the end of that assault I'd be looking at the GAA to be as even handed in their approach

I don't know. Probably not. I'm not downplaying anything, just stating the fact that 21 year old males are mentally underdeveloped in terms of maturity. His charges were reduced (acquitted of assault) but that's irrelevant. Someone in Kyle Hayes position - young, impressionable, stupid, immature, etc might be better served getting a bit of mentorship, guidance and positive influences such as remaining a part of his team instead of going straight to jail for a first offence.

If Kyle Hayes' situation is the exact same as RG's (conviction aside) then I have to disagree. I'm not saying RG should be permanently excluded from the GAA but surely something more robust than "the PPS don't think he has a case to answer so fire away" has to be in place.

So...an ex-partner of yours says on Facebook that you knocked her about. Police check it out and can find no evidence of it being true. Do you on the basis of that alone, think it would be fair to exclude you from employment or a promotion within your own workplace, on the basis of "no smoke without fire"?

We have seen many times that cancel culture on the basis of an allegation is a very dangerous game.

Burns says there is no interest in cancel culture but then went out of his way to send that message to Naas with every intention of "cancelling" RG.

But it's ok if you're 21 and underdeveloped to punch people around!!

f**k me!! Some people

Aye GAA must not support the one punch can kill initiative seeing as JB played it down

[Armagh18]

Must be an awful lot of angels that never got into a row when they were young, stupid and full of drink. Hayes just happens to be built like a brick shit house so he'll  bate lumps out of most men.

[imtommygunn]

Did you read the circumstances of it? Did he not kick the guy on the head when he was on the ground too? It's not something that should be trivialised because it was much more than the standard row. He was incredibly lucky not to have got a much worse sentence.

[gallsman]

Lmao! Sure that's it, we'd all be getting convictions other than the good fortune to not to be built like Kyle Hayes.

You really do choose some horrible bastards to stand alongside. Cretin.

[armaghniac]

Must be an awful lot of angels that never got into a row when they were young, stupid and full of drink. Hayes just happens to be built like a brick shit house so he'll  bate lumps out of most men.

Stupidity is not obligatory and the vast majority of people have not beaten the crap out of anyone.

[Wildweasel74]

Hayes should done time, it was only his name that got him off, I played for yrs with a lad who died of a one punch attack. The other bollix got 4yrs and got out in 2yrs and was bck playing with Arboe. It didn't seem to bother them. Heard this evening that Burns had phoned another club,all before the Naas craic. And was already lined up until he intervened. Didn't go the length of a email, but was enough to scare them off. So it doesn't seem to be a one off in relation to Gallagher.

[thewobbler]

Must be an awful lot of angels that never got into a row when they were young, stupid and full of drink. Hayes just happens to be built like a brick shit house so he'll  bate lumps out of most men.

An incredibly poor take.

Almost as poor as the one Burns has made to stick his snout into Rory Gallagher.

[tyroneStatto]

Hayes should done time, it was only his name that got him off, I played for yrs with a lad who died of a one punch attack. The other bollix got 4yrs and got out in 2yrs and was bck playing with Arboe. It didn't seem to bother them. Heard this evening that Burns had phoned another club,all before the Naas craic. And was already lined up until he intervened. Didn't go the length of a email, but was enough to scare them off. So it doesn't seem to be a one off in relation to Gallagher.

Gallagher started out in Inter County late 90's and Burns would have retired in around 99/2000. was there any niggle between these fellas on the pitch in those few years does any of our Armagh/Fermanagh posters know? Might explain a few things if there was.

[JoG2]

Must be an awful lot of angels that never got into a row when they were young, stupid and full of drink. Hayes just happens to be built like a brick shit house so he'll  bate lumps out of most men.

You're the walking contradiction Kristofferson wrote a song about, you excuse this thug, you have Tate on a pedestal yet seem all concerned re  Gallagher.. You're all over the shop

[Solo_run]

Haven't been following this at all. Did Jarlath intervene or did he write a letter to Naas expressing concern?

Email

Did the email raise concerns about Naas taking on RG or did Burns say do not go ahead with the appointment?