Jarlath Burns

[Franko]

Right, so if you punched a work colleague, with no witnesses, and they informed management; what would you expect to happen? Would you expect to continue at your workplace without a word said?

What if your work colleague took a disliking to you and just said you punched him?  Would you meekly accept the sack?  Because essentially that's what you are asking the GAA to do here - sack the accused.

But let's get away from the hypothetical and look at a real and timely example

The GAA catfish blade has accused a prominent GAA player of raping her (amongst other things)

By your logic, we must assume she is telling the truth and take action against the accused

What course of action do you recommend here? 

Lynch mob mentality is appealing, but it ends up with innocent people strung up from trees

That's not the point I'm making.

The point I am trying to make is that your employer would take some form of action. This would not indicate a presumption of guilt, but they would do *something* ie suspension with full pay pending an investigation, call the police if circumstances warranted it or whatever their procedures dictated.

They wouldn't just say "There's a chance someone is lying here, so you're on your own. Go to the police and whatever they come up with, whenever that is, we'll take action then and base our response on what they do".

The GAA catfish is a poor-ish example - yes she made a scurrilous accusation but she also made it to someone gullible enough to speak to a stranger online for weeks/months on end without ever meeting them.

There is no black and white answer. I'd like to think though that the GAA would retain some form of ethical standpoint when it comes to domestic violence otherwise what is the point in launching projects like the Game-Changer initiative?

The point in your hypothetical situation is that the alleged incident happened AT WORK.  Therefore, your employer has a duty of care.

If the incident happened outside of work, without doubt your employer would let the courts deal with the situation before taking any action.  They would be out of line if they were to do anything else.

So this example is in no way analogous to RG or the Crossmolina case.

As for the dismissal of the catfish incident - it would seem that there are a great many people involved in the GAA who are this gullible, so I wouldn't be rejecting it on those grounds.

[Milltown Row2]

As usual it descends into different stories to suit your agendas, each is completely different with different set of procedures to follow up on.

What the president of the GAA can't be seen to do is take on certain 'breaches' and not address others of insignificant importance (to him)

That said

The domestic violence one is a fantastic project for all of the GAA to get behind, having daughters and sisters I feel these are real concerns, how we educate our boys or protect them better from the mad stuff online is down to you as parents.

This is a can of worms and I've no problem with abusers being ousted but let the courts do it, then the clubs can follow up on that and take their own action, I'd like to see the Access NI reports on all the clubmen in Belfast and what it would throw up in terms of convictions

[Saffron_sam20]

As usual it descends into different stories to suit your agendas, each is completely different with different set of procedures to follow up on.

What the president of the GAA can't be seen to do is take on certain 'breaches' and not address others of insignificant importance (to him)

That said

The domestic violence one is a fantastic project for all of the GAA to get behind, having daughters and sisters I feel these are real concerns, how we educate our boys or protect them better from the mad stuff online is down to you as parents.

This is a can of worms and I've no problem with abusers being ousted but let the courts do it, then the clubs can follow up on that and take their own action, I'd like to see the Access NI reports on all the clubmen in Belfast and what it would throw up in terms of convictions

this is it, I think the point a lot of people were making when it broke that Jarleth Burns got involved in RG that it opened a can of worms, didnt think we would see the consequences of it so soon but here we are.

[tiempo]

The domestic violence one is a fantastic project for all of the GAA to get behind, having daughters and sisters I feel these are real concerns, how we educate our boys or protect them better from the mad stuff online is down to you as parents.

I would have been all in favour had it not been gender based, I don't like the artificial hierarchy it creates

I've seen heard and experienced horrendous abuse from women towards myself, other men, other women and children

Should have been a gender neutral initiative

[Grace Murphy]

Staying on point what about JB. Does an apology now let him move on or does he say I got it wrong on RG and my position is untenable and I will stand down as president?

OR he comes out hardline on the Crossmolina incident? He could send them an email on what they should do and make it known to the public?

[Milltown Row2]

The domestic violence one is a fantastic project for all of the GAA to get behind, having daughters and sisters I feel these are real concerns, how we educate our boys or protect them better from the mad stuff online is down to you as parents.

I would have been all in favour had it not been gender based, I don't like the artificial hierarchy it creates

I've seen heard and experienced horrendous abuse from women towards myself, other men, other women and children

Should have been a gender neutral initiative

Seen the abuse to a neighbour of mine for the 5 years we lived there, and I did nothing, their house backed onto ours at a new development, so the fences weren't up and she beat the crap out of him! and her a nurse in a child's hospice at the time!

You would not believe it unless you actually seen it

[tiempo]

Staying on point what about JB. Does an apology now let him move on or does he say I got it wrong on RG and my position is untenable and I will stand down as president?

OR he comes out hardline on the Crossmolina incident? He could send them an email on what they should do and make it known to the public?

He wont apologise for the RG interference, he has a reputation to uphold ahead of future political endeavours, the Gallagher family are collateral

He should engage in active allyship with all genders to ensure a safe space for all genders - basically his role, among other things

The way its positioned you'd think the GAA is institutionally misogynistic, the GAA needs to stop flagellating itself pre-integration, and separately stop pandering to the GPA

[Armagh18]

Right, so if you punched a work colleague, with no witnesses, and they informed management; what would you expect to happen? Would you expect to continue at your workplace without a word said?

What if your work colleague took a disliking to you and just said you punched him?  Would you meekly accept the sack?  Because essentially that's what you are asking the GAA to do here - sack the accused.

But let's get away from the hypothetical and look at a real and timely example

The GAA catfish blade has accused a prominent GAA player of raping her (amongst other things)

By your logic, we must assume she is telling the truth and take action against the accused

What course of action do you recommend here? 

Lynch mob mentality is appealing, but it ends up with innocent people strung up from trees

That's not the point I'm making.

The point I am trying to make is that your employer would take some form of action. This would not indicate a presumption of guilt, but they would do *something* ie suspension with full pay pending an investigation, call the police if circumstances warranted it or whatever their procedures dictated.

They wouldn't just say "There's a chance someone is lying here, so you're on your own. Go to the police and whatever they come up with, whenever that is, we'll take action then and base our response on what they do".

The GAA catfish is a poor-ish example - yes she made a scurrilous accusation but she also made it to someone gullible enough to speak to a stranger online for weeks/months on end without ever meeting them.

There is no black and white answer. I'd like to think though that the GAA would retain some form of ethical standpoint when it comes to domestic violence otherwise what is the point in launching projects like the Game-Changer initiative?

The point in your hypothetical situation is that the alleged incident happened AT WORK.  Therefore, your employer has a duty of care.

If the incident happened outside of work, without doubt your employer would let the courts deal with the situation before taking any action.  They would be out of line if they were to do anything else.

So this example is in no way analogous to RG or the Crossmolina case.

As for the dismissal of the catfish incident - it would seem that there are a great many people involved in the GAA who are this gullible, so I wouldn't be rejecting it on those grounds.

Don't think an awful lot of the men the catfish caught out were that overly gullible, yes the ones sending intimate pictures were daft (but sure horny young lads will be horny young lads). The girl was very very convincing and obviously after a while most of them gave up when she kept finding excuses not to meet.

Again, she was unreal looking and had such a network of fake profiles (and other real ones) interacting with her accounts that anyone would have been drawn in. Plus a 10/10 girl, most lads will only be thinking with the wee head lol.

[Milltown Row2]

Not sure the kids know this one...

If it's too good to be true...

[general_lee]

The point in your hypothetical situation is that the alleged incident happened AT WORK.  Therefore, your employer has a duty of care.

If the incident happened outside of work, without doubt your employer would let the courts deal with the situation before taking any action.  They would be out of line if they were to do anything else.

So this example is in no way analogous to RG or the Crossmolina case.

As for the dismissal of the catfish incident - it would seem that there are a great many people involved in the GAA who are this gullible, so I wouldn't be rejecting it on those grounds.

That's not true at all. It could easily happen outside of work and employers can and do intervene if it pertains to employees in their organisation and goes against their policies and procedures. They might haven't much to work with but what sort of HR dept would ignore a physical assault allegation?

Anyone that doesn't think the GAA should have a duty of care to women and girls in this regard is deluded.

[general_lee]

Not sure the kids know this one...

If it's too good to be true...

Correct.

[lurganblue]

Rumour doing the rounds that Jarlath might have to consider another email, this time to the Kilcoo secretary.

[ardtole]

Jarlath would be wasting his time.

[bennydorano]

Millwall would take great pleasure in going against the grain there I'd imagine

[ONARAGGATIP]

Millwall would take great pleasure in going against the grain there I'd imagine

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