Jarlath Burns

[Armagh18]

The primary responsibility of leadership in the GAA is one of stewardship. We are all duty bound
to develop the Association for future generations such that it is safely handed on better and
stronger than before, with its aims and ethos safeguarded and bolstered.

Kyle Hayes is under the stewardship of Limerick management - we're told. I guess the aims and ethos are to run with the fox and hunt with the hounds. Thanks for clearing that up Jarlath

Do we take a carte blanche approach then to crimes committed by GAA members or how would you broach the subject?

People keep bringing up Kyle Hayes but how are the idiotic actions of a 21 year old man-child (for which he was convicted) comparable to serious domestic violence allegations?

Not every crime or misdemeanour is the same, do we allow them all or do we draw a line somewhere?

A conviction for serious physical assault should really trump something that has never gone further than a post on Facebook.

Depends how you look at it. Years of domestic violence is a lot more serious than a fight on a night out.

[general_lee]

The primary responsibility of leadership in the GAA is one of stewardship. We are all duty bound
to develop the Association for future generations such that it is safely handed on better and
stronger than before, with its aims and ethos safeguarded and bolstered.

Kyle Hayes is under the stewardship of Limerick management - we're told. I guess the aims and ethos are to run with the fox and hunt with the hounds. Thanks for clearing that up Jarlath

Do we take a carte blanche approach then to crimes committed by GAA members or how would you broach the subject?

People keep bringing up Kyle Hayes but how are the idiotic actions of a 21 year old man-child (for which he was convicted) comparable to serious domestic violence allegations?

Not every crime or misdemeanour is the same, do we allow them all or do we draw a line somewhere?

Another one missing the point between an allegation and a conviction. Hint: one is worse than the other.

There are people walking freely around where I live who have never been convicted of anything but the dogs in the street know exactly what they did in the early 90s.

[general_lee]

The primary responsibility of leadership in the GAA is one of stewardship. We are all duty bound
to develop the Association for future generations such that it is safely handed on better and
stronger than before, with its aims and ethos safeguarded and bolstered.

Kyle Hayes is under the stewardship of Limerick management - we're told. I guess the aims and ethos are to run with the fox and hunt with the hounds. Thanks for clearing that up Jarlath

Do we take a carte blanche approach then to crimes committed by GAA members or how would you broach the subject?

People keep bringing up Kyle Hayes but how are the idiotic actions of a 21 year old man-child (for which he was convicted) comparable to serious domestic violence allegations?

Not every crime or misdemeanour is the same, do we allow them all or do we draw a line somewhere?

A conviction for serious physical assault should really trump something that has never gone further than a post on Facebook.

Depends how you look at it. Years of domestic violence is a lot more serious than a fight on a night out.

My rationale is that Kyle Hayes went through the legal process and in the eyes of the law has been sufficiently punished and rehabilitated. I think what he did was a cúntish thing to do but we'd all be lying to ourselves if we said he was the only intercounty footballer to ever get in a scrap on a night out.

[AustinPowers]

The primary responsibility of leadership in the GAA is one of stewardship. We are all duty bound
to develop the Association for future generations such that it is safely handed on better and
stronger than before, with its aims and ethos safeguarded and bolstered.

Kyle Hayes is under the stewardship of Limerick management - we're told. I guess the aims and ethos are to run with the fox and hunt with the hounds. Thanks for clearing that up Jarlath

Do we take a carte blanche approach then to crimes committed by GAA members or how would you broach the subject?

People keep bringing up Kyle Hayes but how are the idiotic actions of a 21 year old man-child (for which he was convicted) comparable to serious domestic violence allegations?

Not every crime or misdemeanour is the same, do we allow them all or do we draw a line somewhere?

Another one missing the point between an allegation and a conviction. Hint: one is worse than the other.

There are people walking freely around where I live who have never been convicted of anything but the dogs in the street know exactly what they did in the early 90s.

Are you talking  about Sean Boylan's Meath team?


Kielty has been  too long in London. Can't pronounce Gallagher properly.  Thought I was watching Shameless  at times.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

The primary responsibility of leadership in the GAA is one of stewardship. We are all duty bound
to develop the Association for future generations such that it is safely handed on better and
stronger than before, with its aims and ethos safeguarded and bolstered.

Kyle Hayes is under the stewardship of Limerick management - we're told. I guess the aims and ethos are to run with the fox and hunt with the hounds. Thanks for clearing that up Jarlath

Do we take a carte blanche approach then to crimes committed by GAA members or how would you broach the subject?

People keep bringing up Kyle Hayes but how are the idiotic actions of a 21 year old man-child (for which he was convicted) comparable to serious domestic violence allegations?

Not every crime or misdemeanour is the same, do we allow them all or do we draw a line somewhere?

A conviction for serious physical assault should really trump something that has never gone further than a post on Facebook.

Depends how you look at it. Years of domestic violence is a lot more serious than a fight on a night out.

My rationale is that Kyle Hayes went through the legal process and in the eyes of the law has been sufficiently punished and rehabilitated. I think what he did was a cúntish thing to do but we'd all be lying to ourselves if we said he was the only intercounty footballer to ever get in a scrap on a night out.

The law doesn't seem to think Gallagher has a case to answer. But the GAA does?

There were horrendous allegations made against a GAA player by a nutcase catfish. We shouldn't act on allegations alone.

Having said that, I don't think any team should touch Gallagher. More hassle than worth.

[Tony Baloney]

The primary responsibility of leadership in the GAA is one of stewardship. We are all duty bound
to develop the Association for future generations such that it is safely handed on better and
stronger than before, with its aims and ethos safeguarded and bolstered.

Kyle Hayes is under the stewardship of Limerick management - we're told. I guess the aims and ethos are to run with the fox and hunt with the hounds. Thanks for clearing that up Jarlath

Do we take a carte blanche approach then to crimes committed by GAA members or how would you broach the subject?

People keep bringing up Kyle Hayes but how are the idiotic actions of a 21 year old man-child (for which he was convicted) comparable to serious domestic violence allegations?

Not every crime or misdemeanour is the same, do we allow them all or do we draw a line somewhere?

A conviction for serious physical assault should really trump something that has never gone further than a post on Facebook.

Depends how you look at it. Years of domestic violence is a lot more serious than a fight on a night out.

Again allegation vs conviction. And it wasn't a fight - the other party was subjected to an unprovoked attack inside and outside the club including being kicked on the ground. It wasn't 2 fellas having a fair go.

[Milltown Row2]

The primary responsibility of leadership in the GAA is one of stewardship. We are all duty bound
to develop the Association for future generations such that it is safely handed on better and
stronger than before, with its aims and ethos safeguarded and bolstered.

Kyle Hayes is under the stewardship of Limerick management - we're told. I guess the aims and ethos are to run with the fox and hunt with the hounds. Thanks for clearing that up Jarlath

Do we take a carte blanche approach then to crimes committed by GAA members or how would you broach the subject?

People keep bringing up Kyle Hayes but how are the idiotic actions of a 21 year old man-child (for which he was convicted) comparable to serious domestic violence allegations?

Not every crime or misdemeanour is the same, do we allow them all or do we draw a line somewhere?

A conviction for serious physical assault should really trump something that has never gone further than a post on Facebook.

Depends how you look at it. Years of domestic violence is a lot more serious than a fight on a night out.

My rationale is that Kyle Hayes went through the legal process and in the eyes of the law has been sufficiently punished and rehabilitated. I think what he did was a cúntish thing to do but we'd all be lying to ourselves if we said he was the only intercounty footballer to ever get in a scrap on a night out.

Has he been rehabilitated? He didn't get into a 'scrap' though, if that was the case he'd have not went to court and be convicted of assault. Not sure why you are downplaying that.

Not sure why Jarlath chooses to attack one over the other.

If my kid was on the end of that assault I'd be looking at the GAA to be as even handed in their approach

[David McKeown]

I think the main issues for me are.

Is there a process in place within the organisation to ensure the safety of all members particularly those who may be considered vulnerable?  Well yes there is, in fact there are multiple.

Are their processes robust enough to withstand scrutiny? Well no the DRA decision highlighted that they were not.

Is Burns then correct to step in?  Well he might be but I think the following needs addressed first.

What efforts have been made in light of the DRA decision to address at the very least the fundamental issue identified there in (for those who haven't read the decision I mean the fact that the Safeguarding processes in respect of adults are in conflict with the official guide).  If the answer to that is none then I think Burns would have been better focusing his energies on this.

If however the necessary steps have been taken at a central council/ congress level then the question must be asked why (as it appears) are the processes not being used?

If the answer comes down to Burns is not happy with the outcome of the processes (if they were infact used) or has done nothing to modify them then I think he has overstepped his authority and undermined the Safeguarding body and arguably congress/central council.

If the answer is that the updating of the flawed processes requires more time (but is being progressed) than the imminent appointment of RG would allow for then I would have a lot less problem with Burns stepping in.

The problem I have is I don't know which it is and I think Burns could and should have clarified that. 

On the point more generally I think the Safeguarding process within the GAA is what should be utilised in each individual case where there is a concern for whatever reason about an individual.  That process should be procedurally fair and afford anyone involved with their constitutional rights to due process. If that was done then whether or not I agreed with the outcome in each individual case I would at least be able to respect the decision arrived at.

 

[tiempo]

The law doesn't seem to think Gallagher has a case to answer. But the GAA does?

There were horrendous allegations made against a GAA player by a nutcase catfish. We shouldn't act on allegations alone.

Having said that, I don't think any team should touch Gallagher. More hassle than worth.

Jim McGuinness thought Rory Gallagher was 'worth the hassle' and we all know that Jim is very clear he has a duty of care to his players, a duty of care Jarlath assumed on behalf of Naas but not Limerick

Apparently every man and their dog knew domestic abuse was going on in Killybegs but settled for prioritising an All Ireland

Derry county board and players thought he was worth the hassle

Banty thinks he's worth the hassle

Naas thought he was worth the hassle until a Papal intervention

What Jarlath has done is acted outside the processes in place and scope of his role, he confirmed last night that a new mechanism is bring created to prevent RG and his likes coaching until a new bar has been set and scaled

What Jarlath confirmed last night is that he first called the Naas chair to exert influence before writing the email, he's on a crusade, it's evidently personal, he wants RG to be the unwilling face of his new initiative launched in November and the sacrificial lamb for gender based agenda within an integrated GAA LGFA Camogie organisation

Sometimes when acting for change within an organisation it's better to ask forgiveness than permission, this is Jarlaths approach, however he's isolated the Gallagher family creating an onward trauma that he can't control, and that's why he was wrong to act as he has

[nrico2006]

The primary responsibility of leadership in the GAA is one of stewardship. We are all duty bound
to develop the Association for future generations such that it is safely handed on better and
stronger than before, with its aims and ethos safeguarded and bolstered.

Kyle Hayes is under the stewardship of Limerick management - we're told. I guess the aims and ethos are to run with the fox and hunt with the hounds. Thanks for clearing that up Jarlath

Do we take a carte blanche approach then to crimes committed by GAA members or how would you broach the subject?

People keep bringing up Kyle Hayes but how are the idiotic actions of a 21 year old man-child (for which he was convicted) comparable to serious domestic violence allegations?

Not every crime or misdemeanour is the same, do we allow them all or do we draw a line somewhere?

A conviction for serious physical assault should really trump something that has never gone further than a post on Facebook.

Depends how you look at it. Years of domestic violence is a lot more serious than a fight on a night out.

Again allegation vs conviction. And it wasn't a fight - the other party was subjected to an unprovoked attack inside and outside the club including being kicked on the ground. It wasn't 2 fellas having a fair go.

Yeah, wasn't a fight, was a group of fellas battering one fella.

[AustinPowers]

From  listening to Jarlath, about him sending the Naas club the GAA protocols/legislation (or whatever the term is ),  then leaving it up to the club  whether they hire RG.

 Then clearly   this new GAA legislation thing doesn't mean anything?

 Therefore, Jarlath  had  no business getting involved?



I can't help thinking Jarlath got involved to try and show that he's  doing what he can to protect  women (in particular), given  that the GAA/LGFA/Camogie merge is  happening. Maybe he would have faced a backlash  had he not said something, given that violence against women has been  such a  prominent issue lately

[gallsman]

If you're going down the Kyle Hayes route, what about McFaul? Derry CB getting an email soon? Maybe Malachy O'Rourke's decision making called into question?

[Tony Baloney]

From  listening to Jarlath, about him sending the Naas club the GAA protocols/legislation (or whatever the term is ),  then leaving it up to the club  whether they hire RG.

 Then clearly   this new GAA legislation thing doesn't mean anything?

 Therefore, Jarlath  had  no business getting involved?



I can't help thinking Jarlath got involved to try and show that he's  doing what he can to protect  women (in particular), given  that the GAA/LGFA/Camogie merge is  happening. Maybe he would have faced a backlash  had he not said something, given that violence against women has been  such a  prominent issue lately

But that can't be true if he said he sent it in a private capacity not expecting it to be made public. He says.

[AustinPowers]

From  listening to Jarlath, about him sending the Naas club the GAA protocols/legislation (or whatever the term is ),  then leaving it up to the club  whether they hire RG.

 Then clearly   this new GAA legislation thing doesn't mean anything?

 Therefore, Jarlath  had  no business getting involved?



I can't help thinking Jarlath got involved to try and show that he's  doing what he can to protect  women (in particular), given  that the GAA/LGFA/Camogie merge is  happening. Maybe he would have faced a backlash  had he not said something, given that violence against women has been  such a  prominent issue lately

But that can't be true if he said he sent it in a private capacity not expecting it to be made public. He says.

In that case , maybe the GAA (not JB, personally)  would have been better to send out this  new protocol to ALL clubs in  Ireland.

So if the Naas thing  had then gone public , JB could just say it was sent to  all clubs , not just Naas. I'm sure there are  volunteers in a lot of clubs who have a  history  of some sort and fall under this legislation

[tiempo]

The Naas chair showed more nous than the boul Jarlath, had him put it in writing, Jarlaths pious nature couldn't resist

The most democratic organisation in Ireland he says, without a hint of irony, he believes the GAA is there to cure all of society's ills, and on a selective basis he can target individuals, not all ills are born equal of course, some are more equal than others

Under the circumstances the Gallagher family would be as well accessing services with regards to safeguarding and mental health having been singled out on this scale, if Jarlath was a public servant he'd be on gardening leave right now pending the outcome of an investigation into his actions, as a man prone to circumvent due process I'd say Croke Park HR won't get much of a look in