Joe Brolly

[JoG2]

McManus has been very good for two years - yes two. He has been decent other years but struggled against the bigger teams with the blanket defenses.

Gooch has been about for 12 years. He has done it consistently for 12 years. He had a really bad injury last year so let's say worst case he's done it for 10 years with a year out and a year for the injury itself. This is for club and county.

What's his crime here? To have played on a great team and to have played a couple of bad games?

Oh no he had a bad game in an AI final and against Crossmaglen once - he must be overrated! He played multiple times against crossmaglen. He'd a bad game in the semi that year and the rest weren't  bad at all.

List the games where he disappeared please. All of them. It has already been said, by multiple tyrone people, that he wasn't poor against you.

That's just distortion, he has flopped in the vast majority of games where he was really needed. And you keep forgetting to put this in context, he's meant to be best player in the game, one of the all time greats and he hasn't shown he's suitable to that tag when the pressure has been down. You seem to be judging him on fairly low standards for a player of his standing.

He's not meant to be the best player in the game - he's meant to be one of them.

Please provide a list of games he failed in.

Has the fella done something to offend you??

But he is meant to be the best player of the past 15 years.

Off the top of my head, big games he has failed in:

Tyrone 03, 05, 08 and 15
Dublin 15
Armagh 03 and 06
Derry 04
Monaghan 07 and 08
Cork 09
Down 10
Donegal 12


He also completely faded out of games against Dublin in 11 and 13 when the pressure cranked up.

15 games off the top of your head 

you cant just go through the years and type in Kerry's opposition at Croke Pk. The Gooch scored a reck that day and had a fine game. Himself and Tomás were the difference imo

[easytiger95]

Every time i read a post by Bomber in this thread.for some reason I'm reminded of this clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cV_q-mVAAA

[Snapchap]

In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw...

Canavan scored 11 of Tyrone's 12 points in the 1995 final, and to you, this is somehow evidence that he couldn't perform in All-Ireland finals?

OK, Mods, please close gaaboard.com down for good, it can't get any more f@#king stupid.

[Applesisapples]

Is Il Bomber the new Tony?

[Il Bomber Destro]

I know that in 2005 an injury ravaged Canavan who was on the verge of retirement in his mid 30s was decisive for Tyrone in a closely fought Alll Ireland final with Kerry.

Canavan was the man for the big occasion,  a true great.

[westbound]

In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw...

Canavan scored 11 of Tyrone's 12 points in the 1995 final, and to you, this is somehow evidence that he couldn't perform in All-Ireland finals?

OK, Mods, please close gaaboard.com down for good, it can't get any more f@#king stupid.

To be fair, the point was that using the same criteria as the bomber appears to be using for cooper no-one would be considered a great!

[imtommygunn]

Are you annoyed because some people think Cooper was better than Canavan? Is that the issue here?

[lenny]

In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw...

Canavan scored 11 of Tyrone's 12 points in the 1995 final, and to you, this is somehow evidence that he couldn't perform in All-Ireland finals?

OK, Mods, please close gaaboard.com down for good, it can't get any more f@#king stupid.

I think canavan was a great player. I'm just using il bomber's twisted logic to show that you can provide an argument that any player wasn't great. Canavan only scored one point from play in 95 when tyrone needed him most. That's the kind of comment il bomber is using against gooch.

[BennyHarp]

In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw...

Canavan scored 11 of Tyrone's 12 points in the 1995 final, and to you, this is somehow evidence that he couldn't perform in All-Ireland finals?

OK, Mods, please close gaaboard.com down for good, it can't get any more f@#king stupid.

I think canavan was a great player. I'm just using il bomber's twisted logic to show that you can provide an argument that any player wasn't great. Canavan only scored one point from play in 95 when tyrone needed him most. That's the kind of comment il bomber is using against gooch.

Be careful Lenny, you're in danger of backing up Bomber's point with your own nonsense! They needed him in 03 when half crippled and he delivered with 5 important frees. They needed him on 05 and he delivered again with the decisive goal and inspirational point at a vital time!

[Il Bomber Destro]

In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw...

Canavan scored 11 of Tyrone's 12 points in the 1995 final, and to you, this is somehow evidence that he couldn't perform in All-Ireland finals?

OK, Mods, please close gaaboard.com down for good, it can't get any more f@#king stupid.

To be fair, the point was that using the same criteria as the bomber appears to be using for cooper no-one would be considered a great!

They would. The point is that Cooper has CONSISTENTLY faded out on action in the big games when his team Ave really needed him to drag them on. The great players have been the catalyst for their teams time and time again when they have needed them.

Here's where you consider the likes of Canavan, Murphy, Joyce, McConville, McDonnell, Dooher and Donaghy among others.

[westbound]

In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw...

Canavan scored 11 of Tyrone's 12 points in the 1995 final, and to you, this is somehow evidence that he couldn't perform in All-Ireland finals?

OK, Mods, please close gaaboard.com down for good, it can't get any more f@#king stupid.

To be fair, the point was that using the same criteria as the bomber appears to be using for cooper no-one would be considered a great!

They would. The point is that Cooper has CONSISTENTLY faded out on action in the big games when his team Ave really needed him to drag them on. The great players have been the catalyst for their teams time and time again when they have needed them.

Here's where you consider the likes of Canavan, Murphy, Joyce, McConville, McDonnell, Dooher and Donaghy among others.

Speaking of consistency, I don't think you are being consistent in your measurement of different players.

And if you honestly think that Donaghy was/is a better player than Cooper then I have nothing more to add to this topic.

[Il Bomber Destro]

In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw...

Canavan scored 11 of Tyrone's 12 points in the 1995 final, and to you, this is somehow evidence that he couldn't perform in All-Ireland finals?

OK, Mods, please close gaaboard.com down for good, it can't get any more f@#king stupid.

To be fair, the point was that using the same criteria as the bomber appears to be using for cooper no-one would be considered a great!

They would. The point is that Cooper has CONSISTENTLY faded out on action in the big games when his team Ave really needed him to drag them on. The great players have been the catalyst for their teams time and time again when they have needed them.

Here's where you consider the likes of Canavan, Murphy, Joyce, McConville, McDonnell, Dooher and Donaghy among others.

Speaking of consistency, I don't think you are being consistent in your measurement of different players.

And if you honestly think that Donaghy was/is a better player than Cooper then I have nothing more to add to this topic.

If I wanted a player to do the business when it really mattered I'd have Donachy.

If I wanted a player to destroy the little teams then I'd have Cooper, the best flat track bully in the game.

[AZOffaly]

Fair play Bomber, you got good mileage out of this one.

[westbound]

In 1995 he only scored one point from play and made a bad error in the closing moments when tyrone had a great chance of a draw...

Canavan scored 11 of Tyrone's 12 points in the 1995 final, and to you, this is somehow evidence that he couldn't perform in All-Ireland finals?

OK, Mods, please close gaaboard.com down for good, it can't get any more f@#king stupid.

To be fair, the point was that using the same criteria as the bomber appears to be using for cooper no-one would be considered a great!

They would. The point is that Cooper has CONSISTENTLY faded out on action in the big games when his team Ave really needed him to drag them on. The great players have been the catalyst for their teams time and time again when they have needed them.

Here's where you consider the likes of Canavan, Murphy, Joyce, McConville, McDonnell, Dooher and Donaghy among others.

Speaking of consistency, I don't think you are being consistent in your measurement of different players.

And if you honestly think that Donaghy was/is a better player than Cooper then I have nothing more to add to this topic.

If I wanted a player to do the business when it really mattered I'd have Donachy.

If I wanted a player to destroy the little teams then I'd have Cooper, the best flat track bully in the game.

OK. you win! I give up!

I completely disagree with your opinion of cooper, but the fact that you would have Donaghy ahead of cooper tells me all I need to know.
As I said, I now have nothing more to add to this topic.

[Darby]

Il Bomber Destro.

I cannot stand Kerry, but its a complete myth that he doesn't show up in big games. He was terrible last week. But in the 2005 and 2008 finals he was actually Kerry's best player. Watch it back. Check how much he scored, from play and from frees. As he was in the losing 2011 final.

You are nothing but a vile cretin anyway so I shouldn't pay you that much attention. Just think it says a lot when a Kerry hater feels the need to defend absolute tripe from attention seekers like you.

By the way, I'll give you partial credit for mentioning the 2006 match against Armagh. Cooper was ineffective all that year after taking the death of his father extremely badly. But I suppose the greats block out their feelings, eh Bomber, you true gael!

I dont disagree with you on this Darby but considering your post contribution to date your in no position to be calling anyone a cretin

I like to have fun. I think Il Bomber is actually serious like.