Ulster Senior Football Final 17th July - Derry v Donegal

[Doogie Browser]

I had Donegal backed HT/FT at 6/4, disgusted at Murphy's missed free in 1st half injury time!!

[Fuzzman]

Yes I must say that the systematic fouling is something that has crept into our games and is really ugly and annoying. I don't think as many teams are at as much as was stated earlier but it would be very hard for a ref to police. Who does he punish. Does he start booking everyone.
We in Tyrone see it a lot against players like Sean Cavanagh who loves to run with the ball at pace and so teams seem to get different players to just haul him down as far out the pitch as possible. He then gets fed up and of course has already the reputation of a diver which works against him too.

I couldn't help thinking yesterday that McGuinness has built this Donegal new system around the Tyrone v Kerry 2003 style. Hard work, ruthless tackling all over the field, giving nobody any time on the ball and not keeping the other teams scoring chances to a minimum. I think his attitude is that its been 18 years since we won it so we got to win at all costs now and forget about how we win it. Getting over the line has now made him a successful "WINNING" manager and should it take them to an AI semi, final or even win the AI, they won't be too worried in Donegal that the rest of the country is bad mouthing them.

I suppose Tyrone in 03 copied Armagh's style a bit and people said in that Kerry match that we took tackling and swarming around the man on the ball to a whole new level. Maybe now Donegal have done the same and have taken it another step. When you have two big, strong, talented forwards like Murphy & McFadden you can get away with these tactics to a certain extent. It would be interesting if they met the Kerry forward line now how would they fair? They're certainly beatable as we showed in the first half the last day but I think they'll benefit greatly from that win yesterday and their self belief and belief in their manager & system will move up another notch too.

[Main Street]

Tyrone can feck off  this thread, at least for 5 minutes

I thought the penalty award was justified and tv replays confirmed it. The Derry goalkeeper had a brain fart and completely misjudged the situation. Though I don't know why Goldrick felt he had to consult the umpires long after he awarded the penalty.  In Goldrick's defense, the  prolonged sound of 5 Derry players, whining at high pitch directly into both his ears, had probably turned his brain to mush.
Nice to see the Donegal celebrations, they totally grabbed the game in the 2nd half and deserved it.

[screenexile]

Tyrone can feck off  this thread, at least for 5 minutes

I thought the penalty award was justified and tv replays confirmed it. The Derry goalkeeper had a brain fart and completely misjudged the situation. Though I don't know why Goldrick felt he had to consult the umpires long after he awarded the penalty.  In Goldrick's defense, the  prolonged sound of 5 Derry players, whining at high pitch directly into both his ears, had probably turned his brain to mush.
Nice to see the Donegal celebrations, they totally grabbed the game in the 2nd half and deserved it.

I really don't know about this penalty. In my view it wasn't. The keeper came, saw he wasn't getting it and just held his ground. Murphy flicked the ball away and then ran into the keeper. Out the field there is no way on earth that is a free. From how far away the ref was there is also no way he should have given it as he couldn't see the situation clearly enough.

Replays conclusively show that we deserved a penalty also. I will wholeheartedly agree that Donegal deserved to win the game but had the rules been applied we should have been well in it towards the end.

Credit to the players out there who tried their best but we don't have the squad to cope with the injuries we have. I mean there are at least 6 players from around the County who could have played that match yesterday if fit. Kildare will be a step to far but next year all being well we are in with a great shout!

[orangeman]

Brennan in attack mode :


Furious Derry manager John Brennan has launched a scathing attack on the decision of referee Maurice Deegan to award Donegal a crucial second-half penalty in Sunday's Ulster Football Championship final in Clones.

Derry goalkeeper Danny Delvin was penalised for contact with Donegal's Michael Murphy, with the forward stroking home for goal as Jim McGuinness' team prevailed.

Brennan was angry at Deegan's call, as well as with two penalty appeals turned down for his own team.

Brennan said: 'I'm not blaming Donegal. They took the opportunity that was handed to them. I'll put it as mildly as that.

'A penalty is a penalty as far as I know. Earlier on in the game I think we had a good chance of a 13-metre free that transpired as a '45.

'I know we missed three scoring chances and should have been three points up at half-time, that's fine. But he gave a penalty for that and from my view looking it after the match he was over 60 metres away.

'He was asked to consult his umpires and he refused to. I made comments about officialdom that we should be able to ask the referee why he awarded something. I don't care if people think I'm wrong or breaking GAA rules. It is wrong what he did today. If his umpires are there, he consults.

'If a player on our team causes an indiscretion, he consults the umpire. It can't be one-way traffic. In my view he was asked to consult the umpire and he didn't do so.

'That was the turning point in the game. But then with ten minutes to go we have a player who was man-handled, to put it as mildly as that, and we don't get a penalty.

'How do you legislate that we have two penalty claims and get none and they have one where the goalkeeper comes out, runs into the forward and they get a penalty?

'Get inside that other man's brain, don't try to get inside mine. I respect the GAA rules and Croke Park. Tell me as the Derry manager where he got that from over 60 metres away.

'I beg, I just beg him to do it. Let him be a gentleman and come talk to me, man-to-man, and say what our goalkeeper did constitutes him awarding a penalty.'

Derry face a qualifier with Kildare next weekend, just six days after the defeat in the provincial final. It is a timeframe many have criticised, but Brennan believes he can have little say in delaying the fixture.

'With a decision like that out there, how could I get a six-day turnaround (changed)? Lets be realistic about life and the real world. Who am I? I'm only a manager and don't do the rules and regulations.

'If a decision goes out like that out there, how could I get an extension to the six-day turnaround. Ask Croke Park if there is a possibility.

'How can I answer that? The rules are the rules, Cork and Kerry are cute as usual, they have three weeks. The Ulster Council want to play this on a certain day.

'As far as they are concerned they don't care if it is Donegal or Derry today. Over and done with, that's them finished, it is now a national programme of fixtures which are organised by Croke Park. Two different bodies, so who do I appeal to?'

[RMDrive]

Surprised at this whining from Brennan. He'd be better served getting his team thinking about Kildare. I presume it was in the other part of the interview where he acknowledged that Derry should have had a man sent off for striking with the elbow?

[oakleafgael]

Surprised at this whining from Brennan. He'd be better served getting his team thinking about Kildare. I presume it was in the other part of the interview where he acknowledged that Derry should have had a man sent off for striking with the elbow?

Thats exactly what he is trying to do, generating a feeling of being hard done by never hurt anyone. McGuiness done the exact same thing with the media after the preliminary round.

As for the "elbow", unless McBride by some freak of nature has another elbow on the back of his hand then McBrearty wasnt struck with an elbow. He was barely touched at all and made the most of it to try and get his man sent off.

[J70]

Are those crying about the Donegal penalty claiming that the rule is that if two players are going for a ball, one gets a touch, knocking it on, the other misses it completely and takes the first player out, that it is not a foul? Is that in the rules somewhere?

[J70]

Surprised at this whining from Brennan. He'd be better served getting his team thinking about Kildare. I presume it was in the other part of the interview where he acknowledged that Derry should have had a man sent off for striking with the elbow?

Thats exactly what he is trying to do, generating a feeling of being hard done by never hurt anyone. McGuiness done the exact same thing with the media after the preliminary round.

As for the "elbow", unless McBride by some freak of nature has another elbow on the back of his hand then McBrearty wasnt struck with an elbow. He was barely touched at all and made the most of it to try and get his man sent off.

Looked a clear elbow to me, but I thought the two of them were tussling and McBrearty came off the worst when McBride was trying to shake him off.

[Bogball XV]

Are those crying about the Donegal penalty claiming that the rule is that if two players are going for a ball, one gets a touch, knocking it on, the other misses it completely and takes the first player out, that it is not a foul? Is that in the rules somewhere?

Of course that's a foul.  But that doesn't describe the incident I saw, you saw it differently, the ref hardly saw it all.  Murphy was as shocked as anybody when the penalty was awarded.
For my money, Murphy stumbled backwards over Devlin (who shouldn't have been there, but that's moot).
I'm not so sure about the seond penalty, but even if we'd scored we'd never have managed two more points against that wind and the massed donegal defence.

[Oak Leafer]

Firstly, congratulations to Donegal. They deserved their Ulster title and worked hard for it.

However, i think Derry played poorly and if referee had been unbiased we would have been in game to the death.

I'm sick to the teeth of Northern teams being treated badly by southern referee's.

I've been watching county football for 20 years and am convinced its no coincidence that southern referee's always favour the southern team, if up against a northern opponent.

The 'free staters' will undoubtedly point to our paranoia. However i'm backing JB outburst here....why should he stay quiet?

Is he he stating anything other than the truth?

[J70]

Are those crying about the Donegal penalty claiming that the rule is that if two players are going for a ball, one gets a touch, knocking it on, the other misses it completely and takes the first player out, that it is not a foul? Is that in the rules somewhere?

Of course that's a foul.  But that doesn't describe the incident I saw, you saw it differently, the ref hardly saw it all.  Murphy was as shocked as anybody when the penalty was awarded.
For my money, Murphy stumbled backwards over Devlin (who shouldn't have been there, but that's moot).
I'm not so sure about the seond penalty, but even if we'd scored we'd never have managed two more points against that wind and the massed donegal defence.

I suggest you look at it again. Both were coming from opposite directions chasing the ball. Devlin clearly slid into Murphy and tripped him. Absolutely no doubt in my mind that it was the correct decision.

The Derry one I've looked at a number of times, but the UStream stream we got in the states hasn't let me still it right at the impact to see if McGee hit him shoulder to shoulder. Looks high at real time speed, so I could not complain if it had been given and I think Derry were unlucky. Don't know for sure though.

Agree that it would probably not have changed the result. Donegal more than had the measure of the Derry attack at that stage. You never know obviously, but I think we'd have seen it out.

[sheamy]

Are those crying about the Donegal penalty claiming that the rule is that if two players are going for a ball, one gets a touch, knocking it on, the other misses it completely and takes the first player out, that it is not a foul? Is that in the rules somewhere?

Of course that's a foul.  But that doesn't describe the incident I saw, you saw it differently, the ref hardly saw it all.  Murphy was as shocked as anybody when the penalty was awarded.
For my money, Murphy stumbled backwards over Devlin (who shouldn't have been there, but that's moot).
I'm not so sure about the seond penalty, but even if we'd scored we'd never have managed two more points against that wind and the massed donegal defence.

I suggest you look at it again. Both were coming from opposite directions chasing the ball. Devlin clearly slid into Murphy and tripped him. Absolutely no doubt in my mind that it was the correct decision.

The Derry one I've looked at a number of times, but the UStream stream we got in the states hasn't let me still it right at the impact to see if McGee hit him shoulder to shoulder. Looks high at real time speed, so I could not complain if it had been given and I think Derry were unlucky. Don't know for sure though.

Agree that it would probably not have changed the result. Donegal more than had the measure of the Derry attack at that stage. You never know obviously, but I think we'd have seen it out.

You were closer than Deegan then 
I'll save you the bother. He hit him in the chest and face.

[EC Unique]

JB would need to get his own eyesight tested. He winges about the ref not consulting with the umpires when he clearly did!

[AZOffaly]

Are those crying about the Donegal penalty claiming that the rule is that if two players are going for a ball, one gets a touch, knocking it on, the other misses it completely and takes the first player out, that it is not a foul? Is that in the rules somewhere?

Of course that's a foul.  But that doesn't describe the incident I saw, you saw it differently, the ref hardly saw it all.  Murphy was as shocked as anybody when the penalty was awarded.
For my money, Murphy stumbled backwards over Devlin (who shouldn't have been there, but that's moot).
I'm not so sure about the seond penalty, but even if we'd scored we'd never have managed two more points against that wind and the massed donegal defence.

I suggest you look at it again. Both were coming from opposite directions chasing the ball. Devlin clearly slid into Murphy and tripped him. Absolutely no doubt in my mind that it was the correct decision.

The Derry one I've looked at a number of times, but the UStream stream we got in the states hasn't let me still it right at the impact to see if McGee hit him shoulder to shoulder. Looks high at real time speed, so I could not complain if it had been given and I think Derry were unlucky. Don't know for sure though.

Agree that it would probably not have changed the result. Donegal more than had the measure of the Derry attack at that stage. You never know obviously, but I think we'd have seen it out.

I agree J70. It was unlucky, and not deliberate, and there's some doubt that Murphy would have actually caught up with the ball, but he was after it, and the keeper brought him down.