Rules player and fans need to understand.

Started by tyroneman, May 05, 2011, 10:13:33 PM

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tyroneman

If players and fans could get their heads round some basic rules referees might have more of a chance....... For example:

A rolling ball can NOT be picked straight up

There is no such thing in the rule book as a 2 man or 3 man tackle. 15 players can tackle 1 as long as they do it within the rules of the tackle.  There is nothing in the rule book says only 1 person can tackle another at any given time

Umpires cannot call fouls. They can only give an opinion IF ASKED by the ref.

I know refs can be mighty inconsistent at times but if folks knew the basic rules it would stop a lot of ill informed slabberin

Rossfan

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nrico2006

The annoying one is in hurling when someone lays on the ball deliberately and the ref will give a throw ball when it should be a free.
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johnneycool

Quote from: nrico2006 on May 06, 2011, 08:28:36 AM
The annoying one is in hurling when someone lays on the ball deliberately and the ref will give a throw ball when it should be a free.

Especially goal keepers, where it should be a 21 yard free.

FERDIE

When a player goes to ground with the ball, then releases it and then traps it between his legs while still on the ground. What decision should trhe referee make?

AZOffaly

Quote from: johnneycool on May 06, 2011, 09:33:14 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 06, 2011, 08:28:36 AM
The annoying one is in hurling when someone lays on the ball deliberately and the ref will give a throw ball when it should be a free.

Especially goal keepers, where it should be a 21 yard free.

Except Brian Gavin, who gave Waterford a last minute 20 metre free to get a draw when Donal Óg tried to hatch the sliotar.

AbbeySider

Quote from: tyroneman on May 05, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
A rolling ball can NOT be picked straight up

If a player loses their feet, ie if they have fallen to the ground and are not standing, is it not correct that they can play the ball (by punching or hitting it) with their hands, to move the ball ?

Obviously you can pick it off the ground, but I always was under the impression that you can touch the ball if you are on the ground yourself. 

AZOffaly

Quote from: AbbeySider on May 06, 2011, 09:58:36 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 05, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
A rolling ball can NOT be picked straight up

If a player loses their feet, ie if they have fallen to the ground and are not standing, is it not correct that they can play the ball (by punching or hitting it) with their hands, to move the ball ?

Obviously you can pick it off the ground, but I always was under the impression that you can touch the ball if you are on the ground yourself.

I believe the rule is that if you are 'in danger' and onthe ground, you can play the ball 'away from yourself' with the hand.

Tubberman

Quote from: AZOffaly on May 06, 2011, 10:02:41 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 06, 2011, 09:58:36 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 05, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
A rolling ball can NOT be picked straight up

If a player loses their feet, ie if they have fallen to the ground and are not standing, is it not correct that they can play the ball (by punching or hitting it) with their hands, to move the ball ?

Obviously you can pick it off the ground, but I always was under the impression that you can touch the ball if you are on the ground yourself.

I believe the rule is that if you are 'in danger' and onthe ground, you can play the ball 'away from yourself' with the hand.

Now, how in the name of God do you define that  :D
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In a penalty in football, the goalkeeper CANNOT advance from the goal line until the ball is kicked.  The goalkeeper can move along the line (unlike soccer) but CANNOT advance from the line.

Funny thing is I can't remember when someone was pulled up on this last.

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AZOffaly

Quote from: Tubberman on May 06, 2011, 10:20:20 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 06, 2011, 10:02:41 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 06, 2011, 09:58:36 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 05, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
A rolling ball can NOT be picked straight up

If a player loses their feet, ie if they have fallen to the ground and are not standing, is it not correct that they can play the ball (by punching or hitting it) with their hands, to move the ball ?

Obviously you can pick it off the ground, but I always was under the impression that you can touch the ball if you are on the ground yourself.

I believe the rule is that if you are 'in danger' and onthe ground, you can play the ball 'away from yourself' with the hand.

Now, how in the name of God do you define that  :D

If there is anyone near you, and they might pull on the ball. Not that difficult :)

PAULD123

Quote from: AbbeySider on May 06, 2011, 09:58:36 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 05, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
A rolling ball can NOT be picked straight up

If a player loses their feet, ie if they have fallen to the ground and are not standing, is it not correct that they can play the ball (by punching or hitting it) with their hands, to move the ball ?

Obviously you can pick it off the ground, but I always was under the impression that you can touch the ball if you are on the ground yourself.

Lads the rule is simple, it does not directly mention danger. But the player must have been in possession before falling to play the ball on the ground:

Rule 1.2 - When the ball is on the ground, it may be played by any part of the body except the hand(s). It may be lifted off the ground with the feet.
Exceptions
(i) The goalkeeper may play the ball on the ground with his hand(s) inside his own small rectangle.
(ii) Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by so doing.
(iii) The ball may not be lifted off the ground with the knees.

AZOffaly

Quote from: PAULD123 on May 06, 2011, 10:54:10 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 06, 2011, 09:58:36 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 05, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
A rolling ball can NOT be picked straight up

If a player loses their feet, ie if they have fallen to the ground and are not standing, is it not correct that they can play the ball (by punching or hitting it) with their hands, to move the ball ?

Obviously you can pick it off the ground, but I always was under the impression that you can touch the ball if you are on the ground yourself.

Lads the rule is simple, it does not directly mention danger. But the player must have been in possession before falling to play the ball on the ground:

Rule 1.2 - When the ball is on the ground, it may be played by any part of the body except the hand(s). It may be lifted off the ground with the feet.
Exceptions
(i) The goalkeeper may play the ball on the ground with his hand(s) inside his own small rectangle.
(ii) Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by so doing.
(iii) The ball may not be lifted off the ground with the knees.


That's it Paul. As you correctly say there is no mention of danger, but I think most refs in the country will give a free if you play the ball on the ground like that, and are not under pressure.

PAULD123

Quote from: FERDIE on May 06, 2011, 09:51:18 AM
When a player goes to ground with the ball, then releases it and then traps it between his legs while still on the ground. What decision should trhe referee make?

If the player is holding the ball on the ground while he himself is on the ground then he is lying on it (even if he is face up) this is a technical foul:

RULE 4 - TECHNICAL FOULS
4.1 To overcarry or overhold the ball.
4.2 (a) To throw the ball. (b) To handpass the ball without a definite striking action.
4.3 To lift the ball off the ground with the knees.
4.4 To lie on the ball.
4.5 To touch the ball on the ground with the hand(s), except as provided in Rule 1.2.
4.6 To bounce the ball more than once consecutively after catching it.
4.7 To play the ball up with the hand(s) and catch it again before it touches the ground, another player, or goal-posts.
4.8 To wrest the ball from an opponent who has caught the ball.
4.9 For an attacking player to enter opponents' small rectangle before the ball enters it during play.

PENALTY FOR ABOVE FOULS - Free kick
from where the foul occurred

Kerry Mike

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2. Frank Murphy is the rule maker
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