Osama Dead

[LeoMc]

I believe the USA should walk away from Afghanistan now, They can claim a victory of sorts, the TAPI pipeline seems to be going ahead under the new Afghan government.

The question is, do the soldiers get to go home or are they redeployed in Libya/Syria etc.

The Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan in 1989 claiming victory.  They handed over power to a communist government and the country was relatively stable. It all blew up 3 years later.  Afghanistan is like Somalia. It's a failed state . 

Last year the US spent $120bn fighting its war in Afghanistan and  Pakistan. The GNP of Afghanistan is $8bn. Do the maths.

And Pakistans is $179bn. Are you saying they should they only take part in economically viable wars?

[thebigfella]

I believe the USA should walk away from Afghanistan now, They can claim a victory of sorts, the TAPI pipeline seems to be going ahead under the new Afghan government.

The question is, do the soldiers get to go home or are they redeployed in Libya/Syria etc.

The Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan in 1989 claiming victory.  They handed over power to a communist government and the country was relatively stable. It all blew up 3 years later.  Afghanistan is like Somalia. It's a failed state . 

Last year the US spent $120bn fighting its war in Afghanistan and  Pakistan. The GNP of Afghanistan is $8bn. Do the maths.

What's your point? You give us a couple of supposed facts here and go f**king no where with it.

[Denn Forever]

This going to go on and on.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13276540

The US also revised its account of how it took place, saying Bin Laden was not armed when his compound was stormed.

Crap.

[Hardy]

"There was concern that Bin Laden would oppose the capture operation and, indeed, he resisted"

I'd be very interested in the US army's definition of resistance.

[Declan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxVdU2eVYSg&feature=player_embedded

[ballinaman]

Talk Abbotabad place to hide.

[Hardy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxVdU2eVYSg&feature=player_embedded

It's almost funny until you remember this moron has a vote in a country armed with nuclear weapons.

[theskull1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxVdU2eVYSg&feature=player_embedded

Thats an ideology right there

[NAG1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxVdU2eVYSg&feature=player_embedded

It's almost funny until you remember this moron has a vote in a country armed with nuclear weapons.

Not much worse than the thought of the lad who used to have the codes for those weapons!

[thebigfella]

"There was concern that Bin Laden would oppose the capture operation and, indeed, he resisted"

I'd be very interested in the US army's definition of resistance.

Couldn't give a fcuk, IF it was Bin Lid, breathing IMO would have constituted a form of resistance.

[theskull1]

Couldn't give a fcuk, IF it was Bin Lid, breathing IMO would have constituted a form of resistance.

The wests poster boy for terrorism is dead .... boo yaa

[Orior]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxVdU2eVYSg&feature=player_embedded

It takes all sorts. Every country needs guys like him who will join the army, train to be killers, and obey the sergant major.

[thebigfella]

Couldn't give a fcuk, IF it was Bin Lid, breathing IMO would have constituted a form of resistance.

The wests poster boy for terrorism is dead .... boo yaa

Christ get over yourself, the man made himself a poster boy for terrorism. He was a cnut full stop; happy to let other blow themselves up in Allah's name and the possibility of being rewarded with a few virgins, while lying up watching Arsenal bottle it in his nice comfy compound.

[theskull1]

Couldn't give a fcuk, IF it was Bin Lid, breathing IMO would have constituted a form of resistance.

The wests poster boy for terrorism is dead .... boo yaa

Christ get over yourself, the man made himself a poster boy for terrorism. He was a cnut full stop; happy to let other blow themselves up in Allah's name and the possibility of being rewarded with a few virgins, while lying up watching Arsenal bottle it in his nice comfy compound.

Did he now? There was me thinking it was the US administration who done that straight after Sept 11 (after spending 20 years funding him as a soldier against the soviets in Afghanistan). But I bow to your superior knowledge 

The hypocrisy in your second point is pretty outragous. Has the west no leaders of armies who have much more blood on their hands through their illegal wars? Of course not.

[Minder]

Couldn't give a fcuk, IF it was Bin Lid, breathing IMO would have constituted a form of resistance.

The wests poster boy for terrorism is dead .... boo yaa

Christ get over yourself, the man made himself a poster boy for terrorism. He was a cnut full stop; happy to let other blow themselves up in Allah's name and the possibility of being rewarded with a few virgins, while lying up watching Arsenal bottle it in his nice comfy compound.

Did he now? There was me thinking it was the US administration who done that straight after Sept 11 (after spending 20 years funding him as a soldier against the soviets in Afghanistan). But I bow to your superior knowledge 


The hypocrisy in your second point is pretty outragous. Has the west no leaders of armies who have much more blood on their hands through their illegal wars? Of course not.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/03/osama-bin-laden-10-myths-cia-arsenal?cat=world&type=article


1. Osama bin Laden was 'created' by the CIA
He did not receive any direct funding or training from the US during the 1980s. Nor did his followers. The Afghan mujahideen, via Pakistan's ISI intelligence agency, received large amounts of both. Some bled to the Arabs fighting the Soviets but nothing significant.
2. He had a huge personal fortune
Bin Laden was forced to leave any cash he had when he in effect fled Saudi Arabia in 1991 for Pakistan and then Sudan. His family cut him off. Nor would the inheritance from his hugely wealthy father have been divided into equal parts anyway. What Bin Laden did have was contacts, which allowed him to raise money with ease.
3. He was responsible for 1993 bombing of World Trade Centre
Ramzi Yousef, who was the main perpetrator of the attack, was probably working for Khaled Sheikh Mohammed who was an independent operator at the time. Mohammed only started working with al-Qaida in 1996 and even then kept his distance from Bin Laden.
4. He got money from drug running
No evidence for this whatsoever despite repeated claims – such as in the post 9/11 British government dossier on al-Qaida.
5. He never exposed himself to any danger
He did not single-handedly seize a short-barrelled AK-47 from a dying Soviet general as he sometimes claimed but numerous witnesses report that he was in the thick of fighting in Jaji in 1987 and again at the battle of Jalalabad in 1989.
6. He spent a lot of time in caves
In the late 1990s, for propaganda purposes, Bin Laden invited select journalists to meet him in caves near Tora Bora in eastern Afghanistan. However he lived in a much more comfortable compound a short drive away, near the former Soviet collective farm of Hadda owned by a local warlord. By 1999 he had moved to a complex of houses near Kandahar. When he was killed, he was living in a relatively comfortable detached house in Abbottabad, Pakistan. In between, there is no evidence that he spent any time living in caves. The rest of al-Qaida's senior militants appear to have lived in the semi-fortified houses that are common in the tribal zones.
7.He was a tearaway teenager who partied in Beirut before becoming religious.
There is no evidence for this either. Bin Laden appears to have been an intense, shy and pious youth who married young and spent an inordinate amount of time studying scripture.
8. He was near to dying of a kidney disease.
There are some reports – not least in the Guantánamo files – of renal problems but certainly not serious enough to kill him. It is more likely he had back problems caused by his height (around 6ft 5in) and relatively sedentary lifestyle.
9. He hid in Kashmir, was the leader of Chechen groups, was responsible for violence in the Philippines and in Indonesia, organised the Madrid 2004 attack and had an extensive network in Paraguay, sub-Saharan Africa and South Africa.
All these claims, made by various governments or intelligence services over the last decade have proved totally without foundation.
10. Bin Laden was an Arsenal fan
Despite fans reportedly chanting "Osama, woah-woah, Osama, woah-waoh, he's hiding in Kabul, he loves the Arsenal", Bin Laden was not a faithful of the north London club.