The Luke "Ming" Flanagan Thread

[muppet]

France colonised most of North Africa so tough shit on them if the North Africans decide to try their hand in France. They all speak French. I know it's a problem, but you reap what you sow.

Who exactly are the floods of immigrants in Ireland, from outside th EU I mean? I don't really see thousands and thousands of them.

According to Alan Shatter in 2013 53,000 people applied for Irish citizenship since he had taken office.
Don't tell me this is not a large enough number. Not to mention the extended families that will tag along once they get granted.

You might need a wee trip to specsavers

How many were granted?

If you need stats - from 2013. This is from Shatters department so we know we can't trust him to tell the truth.



· 166,000 new applications received in 2013. These include visas, residence, citizenship and protection applications.

· 97,000 new or renewed registrations of permission to remain in the State in 2013 (in respect of immigrants intending to stay longer than 90 days in the country).

· 95,000 visa applications; cumulative increase of 14% since 2011. Visa approval rate is 91%. Top 3 nationalities applying for visas were India 16%, Russia 15%, and China 11%.

· Over 30,000 applications for citizenship decided, and 18 citizenship ceremonies held during 2013.

The provisional 2013 year end estimate of non-EEA nationals with permission to remain in the State is approximately 120,000.

Provisional figures indicate that 946 applications for asylum were submitted in 2013.

Provisional figures for end 2013 indicate that there were approximately 4,370 persons seeking international protection accommodated in direct provision centres in the State

Almost 2,250 persons were deported/removed from the State in 2013

This number comprises of some 1,890 persons who were refused entry into the State at ports of entry and were returned to the place from where they had come.

Which is why a balanced approach to immigration is required to ensure that the local population have a fair shot at gaining employment for jobs they are capable for and to earn a decent wage. Mass immigration drives down wages due to cheap labour. I know many people who lost their jobs because of this.
You would see less resentment from local populations if they had a fair chance.

26. maybe because no-one wants to admit it - the government seem to keep it quiet.
or maybe you've missed the fact that 250,000 have left the country due to lack of work?

Your figures don't quite add up. The 120,000 non-EU immigrants hardly displaced the 250,000. Also, the multinationals would have brought some of that 120,000 with them (Intel, Dell, Microsoft etc) so these immigrants would be serious contributors to the economy.

[foxcommander]

Your figures don't quite add up. The 120,000 non-EU immigrants hardly displaced the 250,000. Also, the multinationals would have brought some of that 120,000 with them (Intel, Dell, Microsoft etc) so these immigrants would be serious contributors to the economy.

That's only Non-EU that's listed. You don't mention the numbers of EU citizens that have taken up employment. Back to school with you to do a few sums.

Obviously there was no talent in Ireland to begin with so the multi-nationals needed to bring in cheap labour from abroad you mean? the 120k are serious contributors to the economy? You're having a laugh.

Where can I get a medical card and free housing?

[muppet]

Your figures don't quite add up. The 120,000 non-EU immigrants hardly displaced the 250,000. Also, the multinationals would have brought some of that 120,000 with them (Intel, Dell, Microsoft etc) so these immigrants would be serious contributors to the economy.

That's only Non-EU that's listed. You don't mention the numbers of EU citizens that have taken up employment. Back to school with you to do a few sums.

Obviously there was no talent in Ireland to begin with so the multi-nationals needed to bring in cheap labour from abroad you mean? the 120k are serious contributors to the economy? You're having a laugh.

Where can I get a medical card and free housing?

Aha.

So you were talking about EU immigrants.

He didn't.

That's why I said this: "So I have to presume we are talking about immigrants from outside the EU?"

Absolutely - people within the EU have rights to be in the country and work. We have the same in theirs.
There is a finite amount of people the EU can support as well as how many Ireland can look after. We aren't doing a great job looking after our own to begin with

[Mike Sheehy]

Your figures don't quite add up. The 120,000 non-EU immigrants hardly displaced the 250,000. Also, the multinationals would have brought some of that 120,000 with them (Intel, Dell, Microsoft etc) so these immigrants would be serious contributors to the economy.

That's only Non-EU that's listed. You don't mention the numbers of EU citizens that have taken up employment. Back to school with you to do a few sums.

Obviously there was no talent in Ireland to begin with so the multi-nationals needed to bring in cheap labour from abroad you mean? the 120k are serious contributors to the economy? You're having a laugh.

Where can I get a medical card and free housing?

If you had a clue about the skillsets required by a companies like Google or  Intel then would see that , yes, there is a talent gap and , no, its not "cheap" labour.

[Billys Boots]

Paris and Brittany escaped it, but the rest is scary. At least our shower aren't overtly racist gobshites. Just stroke pulling gobshites.

Well the canvasser (related to the candidate) for the recently elected FF councillor in my ward told me at the door that RTE was a disgrace because it was run by Quakers.  Overtly racist gobshites are never far away. 

[Hardy]

Paris and Brittany escaped it, but the rest is scary. At least our shower aren't overtly racist gobshites. Just stroke pulling gobshites.

Well the canvasser (related to the candidate) for the recently elected FF councillor in my ward told me at the door that RTE was a disgrace because it was run by Quakers.  Overtly racist gobshites are never far away. 

I'm laughing, but it's not funny.

Maybe he's mixing up the popular name for members of the Society Of Friends with a vulgar colloquialism for people who indulge in self abuse. In which case, I endorse his observation.

[AZOffaly]

Quakers? Does he mean the lads that make porridge oats?

[Billys Boots]

Paris and Brittany escaped it, but the rest is scary. At least our shower aren't overtly racist gobshites. Just stroke pulling gobshites.

Well the canvasser (related to the candidate) for the recently elected FF councillor in my ward told me at the door that RTE was a disgrace because it was run by Quakers.  Overtly racist gobshites are never far away. 

I'm laughing, but it's not funny.

Maybe he's mixing up the popular name for members of the Society Of Friends with a vulgar colloquialism for people who indulge in self abuse. In which case, I endorse his observation.

I was laughing too ... until he was elected.

[macdanger2]

Have you ever thought that the french people don't want this level of immigration and this is how they are reacting to it?

Comes back to what I said in a different thread about Ireland - if the government don't tackle it now and ensure that a fair system of visas where need arises is introduced there will be a backlash and rise of similar parties.

You are some clown

[Hardy]

Ah now, macdanger2, I'm sure some of his best friends are immigrants.

[foxcommander]

Have you ever thought that the french people don't want this level of immigration and this is how they are reacting to it?

Comes back to what I said in a different thread about Ireland - if the government don't tackle it now and ensure that a fair system of visas where need arises is introduced there will be a backlash and rise of similar parties.

You are some clown

Check out the rise of the UKIP. Did you ever think it would happen there? Ordinary people angry at how their government have run the place and what it's turned into.

but sure that would never happen in ireland begorrah and bejasus...sure we'll have a few guinnesses and stick on a bit of aul U2. Aren't we great and multi-cultural and and all that.

When your kids emigrate for good then come back to me on your high horses.

[AZOffaly]

what have illegal (I presume you are on about) or indeed legal immigrants from Poland and other eastern European Countries, got to do with our kids leaving the country? Are using the old 'coming over here and taking our jobs' line?

[foxcommander]

what have illegal (I presume you are on about) or indeed legal immigrants from Poland and other eastern European Countries, got to do with our kids leaving the country? Are using the old 'coming over here and taking our jobs' line?

Do you have a job?

[AZOffaly]

Yep. But I'm confused about these people 'coming over on benefits' and ALSO 'taking our jobs'.

[foxcommander]

Yep. But I'm confused about these people 'coming over on benefits' and ALSO 'taking our jobs'.

So it doesn't affect you then. Typical "sure i'm alright bejasus" attitude.
The PC brigade are alive and well on this board.
Wait until you are on the other side wondering how you are going to pay a mortgage and relying on family/charities to survive.