Michaela - The Aftermath (Please exercise discretion)

[gallsman]

Stop rising to him ffs, he's a wum.

This time I don't think he is. I'll hold my hands up and admit to having speculated as to what exactly happened as soon as I heard the news and my thoughts turned to the British girl in South Africa and the link of her husband - shows just how dangerous the pre-emptive blame game can be.

Ross, people can show respect whatever way they want - the fact he didn't post on a thread on an insignificant internet forum means absolutely nothing.

[Minder]

Stop rising to him ffs, he's a wum.

This time I don't think he is. I'll hold my hands up and admit to having speculated as to what exactly happened as soon as I heard the news and my thoughts turned to the British girl in South Africa and the link of her husband - shows just how dangerous the pre-emptive blame game can be.

Ross, people can show respect whatever way they want - the fact he didn't post on a thread on an insignificant internet forum means absolutely nothing.

Absolutely. It isn't a competition.

[Myles Na G.]

I wonder to myself if the reconstruction featuring one of the suspects is for the image of the police and the country as opposed to advancing the case in anyway.  I just hope they have the right people and not just anyone to take the rap for it.  I suppose we have to assume they know what they are doing.

I think this needs to be considered in the context of the admissions of guilt, i.e., they're not speculative, more for confirmation and the exact sequence of events.

The Birmingham 6 admitted their 'guilt' too, as did the Guildford 4. I don't know if these men are guilty or not, but I do know that the police on the case are under a huge amount of pressure to wrap it up quickly and get a conviction. That can lead to miscarriages of justice.

[Tubberman]

Lads, PSTG has form for acting the WUM at the most inappropriate of times.
He did the same on a Mayo club football thread after a tragic death. Sad, sad character.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

I wonder to myself if the reconstruction featuring one of the suspects is for the image of the police and the country as opposed to advancing the case in anyway.  I just hope they have the right people and not just anyone to take the rap for it.  I suppose we have to assume they know what they are doing.

I think this needs to be considered in the context of the admissions of guilt, i.e., they're not speculative, more for confirmation and the exact sequence of events.

The Birmingham 6 admitted their 'guilt' too, as did the Guildford 4. I don't know if these men are guilty or not, but I do know that the police on the case are under a huge amount of pressure to wrap it up quickly and get a conviction. That can lead to miscarriages of justice.

They have DNA from under Michaela's fingernails, somewhat more reliable than Frank Skuse's Griess test, and they don't have a smidgen of the marks of the 6 or 4 on their persons. Not denying that the authorities are a bit too desperate for a conviction, but in any event the DNA tests will confirm (or rebut).

[Peter Solan the Great]

Lads, PSTG has form for acting the WUM at the most inappropriate of times.
He did the same on a Mayo club football thread after a tragic death. Sad, sad character.

absolutely the cheek of me I said Castlebar Mitchels played crap in the county final. I have no shame.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Lads, PSTG has form for acting the WUM at the most inappropriate of times.
He did the same on a Mayo club football thread after a tragic death. Sad, sad character.

absolutely the cheek of me I said Castlebar Mitchels played crap in the county final. I have no shame.

A liar and a WUM:

I'll say nothing more on this page but you could at least have the decency to lock it until a while after the funeral. Is it any wonder the Journalist consider this a low brow website.

[Peter Solan the Great]

You fellows call me a WUM, when you all try to rise me on every occasion.

[gallsman]

I wonder to myself if the reconstruction featuring one of the suspects is for the image of the police and the country as opposed to advancing the case in anyway.  I just hope they have the right people and not just anyone to take the rap for it.  I suppose we have to assume they know what they are doing.

I think this needs to be considered in the context of the admissions of guilt, i.e., they're not speculative, more for confirmation and the exact sequence of events.

The Birmingham 6 admitted their 'guilt' too, as did the Guildford 4. I don't know if these men are guilty or not, but I do know that the police on the case are under a huge amount of pressure to wrap it up quickly and get a conviction. That can lead to miscarriages of justice.

They have DNA from under Michaela's fingernails, somewhat more reliable than Frank Skuse's Griess test, and they don't have a smidgen of the marks of the 6 or 4 on their persons. Not denying that the authorities are a bit too desperate for a conviction, but in any event the DNA tests will confirm (or rebut).

Like we said yesterday - the fact that they have DNA is all we know. There has been no word of who it belongs to.

The men charged are entitled to a fair trial and if found guilty should be punished and sentenced accordingly. Speculating or presuming as to their guilt is no help whatsoever.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Like we said yesterday - the fact that they have DNA is all we know. There has been no word of who it belongs to.

The men charged are entitled to a fair trial and if found guilty should be punished and sentenced accordingly. Speculating or presuming as to their guilt is no help whatsoever.

So you're saying that the admissions were coerced?

[ross4life]

Stop rising to him ffs, he's a wum.

This time I don't think he is. I'll hold my hands up and admit to having speculated as to what exactly happened as soon as I heard the news and my thoughts turned to the British girl in South Africa and the link of her husband - shows just how dangerous the pre-emptive blame game can be.

Ross, people can show respect whatever way they want - the fact he didn't post on a thread on an insignificant internet forum means absolutely nothing.

Absolutely. It isn't a competition.

Both of you have missed my point! while indeed it doesn't matter if he posts on the other thread i still can't understand why he can find the time to post here talking about lack of respect? when there's none here.

IMO he was looking for a reaction & got it

[gallsman]

Both of you have missed my point! while indeed it doesn't matter if he posts on the other thread i still can't understand why he can find the time to post here talking about lack of respect? when there's none here.

IMO he was looking for a reaction & got it

Because it's not up to you (or anyone) to judge his respect or place some form of benchmark or standard.

[Peter Solan the Great]

Stop rising to him ffs, he's a wum.

This time I don't think he is. I'll hold my hands up and admit to having speculated as to what exactly happened as soon as I heard the news and my thoughts turned to the British girl in South Africa and the link of her husband - shows just how dangerous the pre-emptive blame game can be.

Ross, people can show respect whatever way they want - the fact he didn't post on a thread on an insignificant internet forum means absolutely nothing.

Absolutely. It isn't a competition.

Both of you have missed my point! while indeed it doesn't matter if he posts on the other thread i still can't understand why he can find the time to post here talking about lack of respect? when there's none here.

Thats exactly why I posted here because there is no respect.

[ross4life]

Both of you have missed my point! while indeed it doesn't matter if he posts on the other thread i still can't understand why he can find the time to post here talking about lack of respect? when there's none here.

IMO he was looking for a reaction & got it

Because it's not up to you (or anyone) to judge his respect or place some form of benchmark or standard.

Or either is it up to him (or anyone) to question lack of respect in this thread. let the mods decide if the thread needs to be locked,deleted etc...

[Myles Na G.]

I wonder to myself if the reconstruction featuring one of the suspects is for the image of the police and the country as opposed to advancing the case in anyway.  I just hope they have the right people and not just anyone to take the rap for it.  I suppose we have to assume they know what they are doing.

I think this needs to be considered in the context of the admissions of guilt, i.e., they're not speculative, more for confirmation and the exact sequence of events.

The Birmingham 6 admitted their 'guilt' too, as did the Guildford 4. I don't know if these men are guilty or not, but I do know that the police on the case are under a huge amount of pressure to wrap it up quickly and get a conviction. That can lead to miscarriages of justice.

They have DNA from under Michaela's fingernails, somewhat more reliable than Frank Skuse's Griess test, and they don't have a smidgen of the marks of the 6 or 4 on their persons. Not denying that the authorities are a bit too desperate for a conviction, but in any event the DNA tests will confirm (or rebut).

Hopefully you're right about the DNA. What worried me about the reconstruction was that it reminded me of what one of the Birmingham or Guildford ones said when recalling their forced confessions. He said that he wasn't too worried, because he knew that his confession didn't hang together, that when people came to look at it they'd realise that things couldn't have happened the way he said in his statement.  When I read that the suspects were being used in a reconstruction, it occurred to me that this could be the police's way of making sure their statements did hang together, by walking them through events and constructing a credible scenario. I hope I'm wrong.