Gerry's moving south...

[Evil Genius]

When discussing Adams' electoral prospects in Louth, I don't think we should overlook the Shinners' formidable vote-maximising record where, in NI at least, they are said even to be able to get the dead out to vote.

EG, who say this?

They say it themselves! 

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/dead-sinn-fein-mans-vote-costs-dup-gay-ruling-win-13577528.html

[Evil Genius]

It is fair to say that the IRA were brought about as a reaction to 'anti-democratic legislation'.

You may think that a "fair" assertion to make, but I'm sure many others may not.

You might replace "fair to say" with "my opinion".

[magpie seanie]

Wow. I really touched a nerve there it seems.

When I say I know for a fact I actually do know for a fact. Anyway, laugh away. Its not like SF are actually going to be in power any time soon (thank God) so they can keep spouting economic lies that don't add up. I'm not defending FF/FG etc but if SF are to be a realistic alternative they have to have some sensible policies as opposed to two fingers to Europe & big business and spend, spend, spend.

You didn't touch a nerve, I was mocking you.

If you know it for a fact then you are someone in a position to make that decision. If you are someone in that position then, as I stated earlier - I wouldn't expect you to say anything other than that.

You don't want SFs lies as an alternative to the current lies. Fair enough but your reasoning isn't real and is just drama. I'm of the belief that the economic policy is reasonable, you disagree. There is little else to be said on that.

Mocking. That well known form of intelligent discourse. 

As it happens you are wrong on your assertion, much and all as I wish I was had the salary of the head of a large multi national.

There's a clue though in your thinking with your comments. "If you are someone in that position then, as I stated earlier - I wouldn't expect you to say anything other than that." - the politics of Mé Féin. Is that the great "change" we can hope for from SF?

As for pretending you never heard the one about the dead voting SF?

[lawnseed]

you know the heroes of 1916.. the guys that everybody in ireland kneels down to.. bless themselves everytime their names are mentioned.. pictures of them up in the house.. etc well on the day they were executed by the brits 'irish' people SPAT on them as they were lead out to die, give hardy stevenite and magpie a few pints and a bar or two of a nation once again and they'd be back slapping and as chucky as the rest.

its easy to pontificate about the actions of the provos and they made alot of mistakes but they were mostly young lads in their 20s and were up against incredible odds. would any of you die for your country or your beliefs or die for anything at all.

you have no idea what a kip the 6 counties was for republicans/catholics/nationlists before the armed struggle.
do you know that antrim clubs had to play their football in the armagh league.
i could type all night listing injustices and discrimination thank god its better now

[Maguire01]

maguire at the rate the people of ireland are leaving the country, the mnc's will have to turn out the lights and lock up for they'll be the only ones still here. how do you plan to pay this debt when the only folk left in the place will be pensioners, sick, and east europeans on the dole, ff's solution is to stick the boot in the people who simply won't take it they'll young eduacated people dont know hardship and they just leave the country

MNCs leaving will result in more Irish people leaving, not the other way around. Is that not obvious?

chicken or the egg maguire, theyre going to have to contribute to the country they have set up in we need the money for health, and economic stimulus

It's not chicken or egg when the egg has been long laid. The companies are here already. I'm talking about what happens now (i.e. will they stay of the rate of CT increases).

[ardal]

I can't really imagine SF becoming more than simply a marginal party in any forthcoming general election in the Republic. Their undeniable success in the north has always been as a result of the  nature of tribalistic voting loyalty there.
I would imagine that in the next general election in the republic, although people may say they will vote for change and thus a possible increase for SF, they will really want to be presented with a logically sounding solution to our nations financial woes.
I'd love to be proven wrong but I  really can't see SF producing a manifesto with financial significance for the island

[magpie seanie]

you know the heroes of 1916.. the guys that everybody in ireland kneels down to.. bless themselves everytime their names are mentioned.. pictures of them up in the house.. etc well on the day they were executed by the brits 'irish' people SPAT on them as they were lead out to die, give hardy stevenite and magpie a few pints and a bar or two of a nation once again and they'd be back slapping and as chucky as the rest.

its easy to pontificate about the actions of the provos and they made alot of mistakes but they were mostly young lads in their 20s and were up against incredible odds. would any of you die for your country or your beliefs or die for anything at all.

you have no idea what a kip the 6 counties was for republicans/catholics/nationlists before the armed struggle.
do you know that antrim clubs had to play their football in the armagh league.
i could type all night listing injustices and discrimination thank god its better now

If I keep replying I wonder what rubbish will be made up next. Not doing your party, or should I say "cause", any good with that. Its actually my fault for thinking I could have a sensible political/economic discussion without it decending into the shit above.

[Nally Stand]

I can't really imagine SF becoming more than simply a marginal party in any forthcoming general election in the Republic. Their undeniable success in the north has always been as a result of the  nature of tribalistic voting loyalty there.
I would imagine that in the next general election in the republic, although people may say they will vote for change and thus a possible increase for SF, they will really want to be presented with a logically sounding solution to our nations financial woes.
I'd love to be proven wrong but I  really can't see SF producing a manifesto with financial significance for the island

http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/Pre-Budget2010_web.pdf

http://www.progressive-economy.ie/2010/11/at-least-one-party-gets-it.html

[ardal]

Only had time to skim through the manifesto, but makes some interesting reading. Tax increases on those earning more money and increasing capital gains tax etc will certainly add to the govt coffers, but will it stimulate investment and growth? It's an honest question.

Taxation increases on second homes etc, fully support.

Efforts to clean up our financial institutions can't go amiss.

The new "Europe-wide Tobin tax", threw me a bit.  Not sure what the objective is there, "to compensate for the level of assistance given to financial institution in recent years"??

What about nationalising the M50, christ the developers have certainly made a big enough profit by now.

[Maguire01]

Taxation increases on second homes etc, fully support.

Oh the irony - Gerry saved by partition! Unless he buys a third in Louth.

[lawnseed]

the point being magpie is that times change. in 1916 the boys were 'terrorists' now they are heroes. there are posters here using the term 'sinnfein/ira', the DUP dont even say that anymore. the only place you'll hear that is listening to jim alister traditional unionist voice the ultra right, ultra white, nazi party or from southern polititions who feel threatened by candidates who will work for the average industrial wage and who will de-rail the gravy train that they have been sitting on for generations. if stuff that went on 20years ago during the war has 'affected' you then you are a victom and need help you should contact the victoms commission and discuss your problem with mike nesbitt you will have something in common. sinn fein kicked his butt as well in the last election

[lynchbhoy]

In mid-November blah blah
Sinn fein / IRA ... Blah blah

At that point we see the collapse of yet another pointless and idiotic post by this amadan!

Thankfully sectarian dinosaurs like yourself have almost all been put to pasture!

[Maguire01]

 Mike Nesbitt is no longer a Victims' Commissioner.

[lawnseed]

correct maguire hes a failed politition. no matter he was man enough to stand for something and for what its worth i think he'd have made a good rep for his community

[magpie seanie]

the point being magpie is that times change. in 1916 the boys were 'terrorists' now they are heroes. there are posters here using the term 'sinnfein/ira', the DUP dont even say that anymore. the only place you'll hear that is listening to jim alister traditional unionist voice the ultra right, ultra white, nazi party or from southern polititions who feel threatened by candidates who will work for the average industrial wage and who will de-rail the gravy train that they have been sitting on for generations. if stuff that went on 20years ago during the war has 'affected' you then you are a victom and need help you should contact the victoms commission and discuss your problem with mike nesbitt you will have something in common. sinn fein kicked his butt as well in the last election

You must be confusing me with someone else.