What should be done about the Leinster Final Fiasco?

[Jinxy]

Lads can we stop trying to twist the events as they happened.
Sheridan didn't just deliberately throw the ball into the net.
He tried to throw it onto his boot to kick it and missed.
His version of events is that he was already over the line anyway, which he was, so that part makes no difference.
Essentially, he believes he was pushed over the line as he was driving towards the goal.
Maybe not the strongest argument in the world but his comments were made in the immediate aftermath of the game.
He definitely shipped a couple of challenges so it's not that far-fetched that as a forward he thinks:
a) He was fouled
and/or
b) He was pushed over the line.
Every weekend now we seem to need someone to demonise and condemn.
This week it's Joes turn and now he's a "cheat" in the eyes of many whom I would have expected better from.
What did he actually do that was so wrong?

[JMohan]

Go back a step to the square ball Jinxy ... 

[Lar Naparka]

The GAA will side with Louth on this one, an extra day out at Croke park will mean more €€€€€€

However county boards will challenge reults more often if a team is hard done by.

They cannot and should not. It would be such a ridiculous precedent.

I don't think it would, nothing like this has ever happened before. I have never seen the outcome of a match being so badly messed up by such a poor refereeing decision in the last second of the game. The only way a precedent would be set is if the same incident happened again which is very unlikely.

I don't think it would, nothing like this has ever happened before. I have never seen the outcome of a match being so badly messed up by such a poor refereeing decision in the last second of the game. The only way a precedent would be set is if the same incident happened again which is very unlikely.

Actually, something similar did happen at least once before this.
(I'm a bit hazy on details as it happened about 10 years ago so I may have some details screwed up somewhat.) It was a game of hurling- an AI QF I think.
Offaly were playing Clare and the ref was Jimmy Cooney of Galway.
The ref's watch had stopped and he blew the whistle about 2 mins short of the correct full time. At this stage of the game, Offaly were defending desperately; they had built up a good lead but Clare had staged a great fight back and had cut the margin to a single point. Clare were completely on top when Cooney blew for full time and, in all likelihood, would have scored the equaliser at the very least.
Then as now, there an almighty controversy erupted and it led to the Offaly board offering a replay. I recall that Offaly did in fact win and validated the original result.
Like I said, I am not certain of the specific details and I may have the counties in reverse order but the 'winners' on the first day did offer their opponents a replay.

[Bensars]

Go back a step to the square ball Jinxy ... 

What county team stops and says, sorry ref youre wrong, we were inside the square there !

[JMohan]

Go back a step to the square ball Jinxy ... 

What county team stops and says, sorry ref youre wrong, we were inside the square there !

What team asks for a replay if they don't think they deserve one?

[Bensars]

Go back a step to the square ball Jinxy ... 

What county team stops and says, sorry ref youre wrong, we were inside the square there !

What team asks for a replay if they don't think they deserve one?

No comprende !   

Very good question though. What is the answer as a matter of interest ?

[Jinxy]

Lets say Joe caught the ball in the square instead of Seamus getting it.
He then turned and buried the ball in the back of the net.
Would people be outraged if Joe didn't hold his hand up and say "Hang on ref, I was in the square there"?

[Galwaybhoy]

Between FIFA and the GAA and after all the shocking decisions that were made over the last few months I don't understand why nothing is never learnt from it.  IMO the GAA is more to blame than anyone for what happened yesterday.  The media will use this as a reason to bash the GAA and rightly so.  When you look at other sports and competitions such as The National Football League (American Football) where very little is left to chance it just shows how incompetent the GAA really are.  In this day and age there is no excuse not to have video ref in Championship matches to stop these mistakes from reoccurring.  Refs and umpires should be trained to the highest degree but even then they are only human and mistakes will be made, having a video ref would put an end to the these sort of situations occurring.  American Football have it, Rugby have it, many other sports have it, why can't we have it in the GAA?

Video ref wouldnt have made a blind bit of difference yesterday. Sludden didnt want to hear what the umpire wanted to say, so he wouldnt have gone to a video ref either.

See I am of the opinion that people should learn from their mistakes.  In this case the GAA.  Thats more important than offering a replay.  Going by your reason we should carry on, do nothing and wait for the same thing to happen all over again which it undoubtedly will.  If we look for fault in every idea that is given to rectify these situations then nothing will ever be achieved.

[blanketattack]

The GAA will side with Louth on this one, an extra day out at Croke park will mean more €€€€€€

However county boards will challenge reults more often if a team is hard done by.

They cannot and should not. It would be such a ridiculous precedent.

I don't think it would, nothing like this has ever happened before. I have never seen the outcome of a match being so badly messed up by such a poor refereeing decision in the last second of the game. The only way a precedent would be set is if the same incident happened again which is very unlikely.

I don't think it would, nothing like this has ever happened before. I have never seen the outcome of a match being so badly messed up by such a poor refereeing decision in the last second of the game. The only way a precedent would be set is if the same incident happened again which is very unlikely.

Actually, something similar did happen at least once before this.
(I'm a bit hazy on details as it happened about 10 years ago so I may have some details screwed up somewhat.) It was a game of hurling- an AI QF I think.
Offaly were playing Clare and the ref was Jimmy Cooney of Galway.
The ref's watch had stopped and he blew the whistle about 2 mins short of the correct full time. At this stage of the game, Offaly were defending desperately; they had built up a good lead but Clare had staged a great fight back and had cut the margin to a single point. Clare were completely on top when Cooney blew for full time and, in all likelihood, would have scored the equaliser at the very least.
Then as now, there an almighty controversy erupted and it led to the Offaly board offering a replay. I recall that Offaly did in fact win and validated the original result.
Like I said, I am not certain of the specific details and I may have the counties in reverse order but the 'winners' on the first day did offer their opponents a replay.

The Laois-Carlow game in '95 is probably the closest we've come to seeing this occur before. The umpire incorrectly called a point for Laois and the game was replayed. In the Meath-Louth game the umpire incorrectly called a goal for Meath and so the game should also be replayed.

[Lar Naparka]

The Laois-Carlow game in '95 is probably the closest we've come to seeing this occur before. The umpire incorrectly called a point for Laois and the game was replayed. In the Meath-Louth game the umpire incorrectly called a goal for Meath and so the game should also be replayed.

Yeah, I had forgotten about that one.
So there were at least two previous instances of games being replayed following on from referees' errors.

[TYRONE HACK]

Tyrone should perhaps have had a replay in the 95 all Ireland final, late equaliser disallowed and all that, but certainly if Meath had any semblence of GAA pride they should offer the replay. As for the ref its back to underage in Tyrone I fear......I fear because underage football will suffer then

[magpie seanie]

An absolute joke really. Haven't read through all the posts on the threads but the gobshites who went after the ref need to be dealt with immediately and banned. Just shows how important it is that crowds are stopped coming onto the pitch.
Really feel for the Louth lads. Can't imagine how they must be feeling to be cheated out of a famous win like that. What do the Meath lads think of Sheridan's actions?
To me he's the a bigger culprit than the ref. The offer of a replay may go some way in redressing the injustice but in reality the Cup should be residing in the Wee County.
I'm a great believer in what goes around comes around and I know it's hard but the Louth lads should just get on with it and go through the qualifiers. Meath will get their "reward" on another day
Another thing it highlighted to me is that "pundits" really shouldn't be involved in their county's matches. Watching o'rourke last night I felt like putting my boot through the telly

Couldn't agree more

They should bring that in

Especially if you have a son playing. I felt some sympathy for O'Rourke last night. It was a horrible position to be in not of his own making.

[JMohan]

Lets say Joe caught the ball in the square instead of Seamus getting it.
He then turned and buried the ball in the back of the net.
Would people be outraged if Joe didn't hold his hand up and say "Hang on ref, I was in the square there"?

Like fcuk!

That's not my point.

I was just pointing out to your post that it wasn't one mistake, but two in missing the square ball.

[Shamrock Shore]

So there were at least two previous instances of games being replayed following on from referees' errors

Incorrect. The Carlow v Laois game was only replayed cos Laois offered it. Had they not done so (as was their right) then Carlow could, officially, swing.

There are rules for when a game ends prematurely (as in the case of Offaly v Clare) and this is why it was replayed.

Longford had a perfectly legit goal ruled out in the last kick of the game v Limerick this year which would have won it. The referee after apologised for the error - Longford county board, while agrieved, accepted it and shook hands, figuratively. We did look for an overturning of the result etc but the CB rapidly realised that they were wasting time and moved on.

Now I know a League match in the arsehole of winter is not equal to a Leinster final but the same rules apply.

[Jinxy]

Yeah but my point isn't about the officials.
They obviously f*cked up.
What's annoying me is the level of abuse being directed towards Joe Sheridan.
He's been labelled a liar and a cheat on a few different forums now.
For what?