The Battle for Fermanagh and South Tyrone

Started by Ulick, April 19, 2010, 10:36:25 AM

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Nally Stand

What a convenient way of refusing to acknowledge every single point I've just made.
"The island of saints & scholars...and gombeens & fuckin' arselickers" Christy Moore



longrunsthefox

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What I can't square is Sinn Fein don't recognise the Wesminster British seat but take part in the vote. It is like they kind of recognise it and are proud to call their members MPs. I think it should be one or other... abstain totally or go into Westminster. Frank Maguire and Bernadette Devlin went to Westminster although I am not sure what the reaction was to that. Certainly they got enough nationalist-Republican votes to get in. If Sinn Fein decided tomorrow it will go in and take their seats thousands who are against it would suddenly agree with it. People need to stop being sheep and hanging onto every word a party says.
Also is not the 26 counties an artificial state imposed by British rule and they recoginse that government by taking their seat...   just seems very contradictory, but maybe life ain't that black and white. (Just thinking out loud...) 

Zapatista

Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 10, 2010, 06:19:06 PM
Look Zap, no matter how much you deny it, SF accepted the default position of the 6 counties to be in the union with Britain whether sf spindoctors say it or not.

You have nothing to offer this thread or discussion on this topic in general.

Zapatista

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Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 10, 2010, 10:51:15 PM
What I can't square is Sinn Fein don't recognise the Wesminster British seat but take part in the vote. It is like they kind of recognise it and are proud to call their members MPs. I think it should be one or other... abstain totally or go into Westminster. Frank Maguire and Bernadette Devlin went to Westminster although I am not sure what the reaction was to that. Certainly they got enough nationalist-Republican votes to get in. If Sinn Fein decided tomorrow it will go in and take their seats thousands who are against it would suddenly agree with it. Also is not the 26 counties an artificial state imposed by British rule and they recoginse that government by taking their seat...   just seem svery contradictory, but maybe life ain't that black and white. (Just thinking out loud...)

It boils down to having a mandate. There is no better way to attack someone than get a mandate and use it to attack others who have no mandate.

They take their seats on both sides of the border. That's not a contradiction.

ardmhachaabu

Quote from: Zapatista on May 10, 2010, 10:51:51 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 10, 2010, 06:19:06 PM
Look Zap, no matter how much you deny it, SF accepted the default position of the 6 counties to be in the union with Britain whether sf spindoctors say it or not.

You have nothing to offer this thread or discussion on this topic in general.
Says who?  You?  You are just another armchair republican who refuses to see facts for what they are.
Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something

orangeman

Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 10, 2010, 10:51:15 PM
What I can't square is Sinn Fein don't recognise the Wesminster British seat but take part in the vote. It is like they kind of recognise it and are proud to call their members MPs. I think it should be one or other... abstain totally or go into Westminster. Frank Maguire and Bernadette Devlin went to Westminster although I am not sure what the reaction was to that. Certainly they got enough nationalist-Republican votes to get in. If Sinn Fein decided tomorrow it will go in and take their seats thousands who are against it would suddenly agree with it. People need to stop being sheep and hanging onto every word a party says.
Also is not the 26 counties an artificial state imposed by British rule and they recoginse that government by taking their seat...   just seems very contradictory, but maybe life ain't that black and white. (Just thinking out loud...)


SF have done things in recent years that they would never have dreamed of doing years ago, so I'd say before long, there will be a change of heart on this one as well. There'll be some way around it.

It's all a matter of timing.

Zapatista

Quote from: orangeman on May 10, 2010, 10:57:13 PM
SF have done things in recent years that they would never have dreamed of doing years ago, so I'd say before long, there will be a change of heart on this one as well. There'll be some way around it.

It's all a matter of timing.

There is no pressure coming from anywhere to make them do it. Espeacially not from the electorate. In fact it seems like a winner. The SDLP should try it.

Fear ón Srath Bán

Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 10, 2010, 10:41:43 PM
No matter what you say nally, the fact remains Sf are still administering, implementing and even creating British rule in the north.  Whatever happened to 'No return to Stormont'?

Translation: that's a fairly damning list of shame you have there nally, but no matter what facts you adduce, I'll just stick to the only stick that I can beat the Shinners with in relation to the north... they took seats in Stormont. *

* This translation of ardmhacaabu-speak is a free service  ;)
Carlsberg don't do Gombeenocracies, but by jaysus if they did...

reddgnhand

Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 10, 2010, 10:55:29 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on May 10, 2010, 10:51:51 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 10, 2010, 06:19:06 PM
Look Zap, no matter how much you deny it, SF accepted the default position of the 6 counties to be in the union with Britain whether sf spindoctors say it or not.

You have nothing to offer this thread or discussion on this topic in general.
Says who?  You?  You are just another armchair republican who refuses to see facts for what they are.

Whats an armchair republican?

Zapatista

Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 10, 2010, 10:41:43 PM
No matter what you say nally, the fact remains Sf are still administering, implementing and even creating British rule in the north.  Whatever happened to 'No return to Stormont'?

Things have come full circle when you're taking tips from RSF.


ONeill

Quote from: reddgnhand on May 10, 2010, 11:27:33 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 10, 2010, 10:55:29 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on May 10, 2010, 10:51:51 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 10, 2010, 06:19:06 PM
Look Zap, no matter how much you deny it, SF accepted the default position of the 6 counties to be in the union with Britain whether sf spindoctors say it or not.

You have nothing to offer this thread or discussion on this topic in general.
Says who?  You?  You are just another armchair republican who refuses to see facts for what they are.

Whats an armchair republican?

I wanna have my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames.

ardmhachaabu

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2010, 11:26:46 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 10, 2010, 10:41:43 PM
No matter what you say nally, the fact remains Sf are still administering, implementing and even creating British rule in the north.  Whatever happened to 'No return to Stormont'?

Translation: that's a fairly damning list of shame you have there nally, but no matter what facts you adduce, I'll just stick to the only stick that I can beat the Shinners with in relation to the north... they took seats in Stormont. *

* This translation of ardmhacaabu-speak is a free service  ;)
Why am I even being asked about the SDLP.  I wasn't discussing them  ;)

Zap, I am not taking tips from anyone, I am just telling it like it is
Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something