The Battle for Fermanagh and South Tyrone

[Ulick]

Has ardmhachaabu run away from another discussion? I wonder why he even bothers to contribute in the first place. 

I have what's called a life Ulick unlike you or some others on here.

Your question was about what the Shinners are at, don't put Tone or any other decent man in the same bracket as them

So are you going to answer the question now you have finished with the pathetic insults?

[ardmhachaabu]

The Shinners are as sectarian as they come.  Does that answer suit you?

[Ulick]

Little substance me hole. They're doing what any political party should do and stand in every constituency. Why should any SDLP voters in FST vote for SF if McKinney was to stand down? Just because Gildernew is one of us instead of those nasty unionists? My point is that shouldn't be the mindset of people. If the SDLP vote is significant enough to hurt Gildernew, why should they abandon their voters to the mercy of a sectarian dogfight?

Okay this gets back to what I was saying before trileacman and gaffer sidetracked things and ardmhachaabu made a fool of himself again - what is sectarian about maximising support for your position on the national question?

[Ulick]

The Shinners are as sectarian as they come.  Does that answer suit you?

The question was about Parnell and Tone (as if you didn't know). Besides I thought it was the SDLP with all the links to the Church - yourself a case in point perhaps?

[ardmhachaabu]

Since when were Parnell or Tone sectarian?  You may continue to dodge if you like

[gallsman]

Little substance me hole. They're doing what any political party should do and stand in every constituency. Why should any SDLP voters in FST vote for SF if McKinney was to stand down? Just because Gildernew is one of us instead of those nasty unionists? My point is that shouldn't be the mindset of people. If the SDLP vote is significant enough to hurt Gildernew, why should they abandon their voters to the mercy of a sectarian dogfight?

Okay this gets back to what I was saying before trileacman and gaffer sidetracked things and ardmhachaabu made a fool of himself again - what is sectarian about maximising support for your position on the national question?

The fact that a significant number of SDLP voter in FST would not wish to be "represented" by Sinn Fein. You think everyone decides that if they can't vote SDLP then they'll want to vote SF?

[Gaffer]

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Interestingly, I read the following in last Saturday's Irish News where SF Cllr O'Reilly said of Rodney Connor's retirement from Fermanagh DC:
"As Chief Executive, people always had a hotline to his office on all manner of issues. He always has done his best and everyone got a fair share when it came to getting their needs met. I wish him well in the future."



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Says it all about the present Sinn Fein.

[Main Street]

Since when were Parnell or Tone sectarian?  You may continue to dodge if you like

Then you have to clarify why you answered yes in this post.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16011.msg770068#msg770068

Ulick   If the sectarian headcounting business is true where does that leave good Protestant nationalists like CS Parnell and good Protestant republicans like T Wolfe Tone?

Treacleman   Dead.  Dead failures.

Ulick  Dead or not the question is was their position sectarian?

ardmhachaabu  Yes

[Nally Stand]

Wonder what Maskey thinks of being told to stand down?

Alex Maskey wasn't told to stand down it was a collective decision by the leadership of the party  which includes Alex Maskey.This was a decision that was taken after nearly two days of deliberations and is an effort the maximise the Republican/Nationalist represention across the North. Yes Alex Maskey and all the Sinn Fein workers in South Belfast are dissappointed that they will not be fighting the election after all the hard work they have been doing in resent months but they except this decision and will now be throwing their weight behind their comrades in North Belfast who are trying to get Gerry Kelly elected.As for this being a sectarian move the big difference we see in the orange order bringing together all shades of Unionism to keep out a Nationalist is when these people get into positions of power they act in a sectarian manner by refusing to share power with the Nationalist Representatives as can been seen in council areas they control {eg Newtownabbey, Lisburn etc;} whereas when the SDLP or Sinn Fein hold the power in other areas they administer that power on an equal basis,this can be seen in council areas right across the North.So for me that what makes the decision in F&ST sectarian and and the decision for Sinn Fein to give the SDLP a free run in SB nonsectarian as we know that at least Alistair McDonnell will work for all his constituents on an equal basis

Let's face it. Everything Sinn Fein do is in the interests of Sinn  Fein, not the broad nationalist community but Sinn Fein.
This is  the same Sinn Fein who chose to have a Unionist Justice Minister over a nationalist one.

Unlike the SDLP who always look out for the interests of nationalism? The SDLP who, as I pointed out on this board before, only supported Sinn Fein in THREE out of EIGHTEEN councils on a motion put forward by SF in these councils to press for more All-Ireland co-operation with the Dublin Government a number of years ago? The same SDLP who in 2006 supported Irish citizens living in the north of Ireland to be subjected to compulsory "British National Identity" scheme? The same SDLP who voted in favour of 28 day detention without trial? The same SDLP who argued for provision for diplock courts in 2006? The same SDLP who in the same year argued in favour of primacy of MI5 in certain cases over a devolved policing system, and who once remarked that they had "no difficulty with a continuing MI5 role" in the north? The same SDLP who regarded Ronnie Flanagan as someone who was trying to "edge policing forward"? The same SDLP who are today assisting the Orange Order in their sectarian pact which aims to secure a unionist MP in a constituency with a maily nationalist population?
If you want to talk about the Justice post, rewind back to May 2006, when Mark Durkan stood in Westminster and said he supported - "the possibility of a single Justice minister to be elected by cross-community support and by parallel consent" . That is EXACTLY what happened, so what are the SDLP now complaining about?

[Ulick]

Since when were Parnell or Tone sectarian?  You may continue to dodge if you like

You were the one that said they were not me.

[gallsman]

NS, SF are the one's assisting the Orange Order by vindicating and replicating their actions.

[Nally Stand]

Really? You really want me to point out your erroneous statements?

You think the SDLP want a Unionist elected in FST, and that's why they won't withdraw McKinney? You don't think it has anything to do with their desire to best represent the voters in FST who are unwilling to vote Sinn Fein? SF have shown a blatant desire to follow the UUP and DUP down the same old path where you either vote orange or green. I'm sorry if the SDLP's decision to finally try and rise above all that upsets you. Hang on, I'm not, you're clearly a fool who doesn't have a f**king clue what he's talking about so I've no sympathy for you whatsoever.

SF are seeking to do exactly what the DUP and UUP are, yet you're so blinded you can't even see it. Otherwise you just don't care, because it's "our" side, which would make you a bigot.

Are you a bigot NS?

Very little substance there Gallsman. Your suggestion the SDLP are running McKinney in order to represent voters in FST who don't vote SF belies the fact that McKinney doesn't have a hope in hell of winning. By running for the seat the SDLP allow the minority political viewpoint to represent the majority – not exactly representative democracy in action.

Little substance me hole. They're doing what any political party should do and stand in every constituency. Why should any SDLP voters in FST vote for SF if McKinney was to stand down? Just because Gildernew is one of us instead of those nasty unionists? My point is that shouldn't be the mindset of people. If the SDLP vote is significant enough to hurt Gildernew, why should they abandon their voters to the mercy of a sectarian dogfight?

NS, if you get offended by someone calling you a fool, enjoy your life. There won't be much of one if you keep getting het up. When did I say the SDLP were standing to best represent the whole population of FST. SF have won every election and increased their vote since 2001, so to suggest this would be ludicrous. What I said was that the SDLP have a significant vote in FST who they are unwilling to abandon. Where's the shame in that? The whole point of this is that we're supposed to be moving beyond green and orange but some people are unwilling. The Assembly elections are where the action is. Who care's who the f**k wins FST, it's not as if Gildernew sits in the first place, so to say she "represents" voters is slightly skewed.

I highlighted the part in bold for you Gallsman. And to imply that the SDLP would represent the peoplle by sitting in westminster is pushing it for much the same reason. At least SF are honest in being openly abstentionist. The SDLP take their pledge of allegience to the British queen and yet still have an attendance record which is practically abstentionist anyway.

[Ulick]

The fact that a significant number of SDLP voter in FST would not wish to be "represented" by Sinn Fein.

But you are saying for the SDLP to stand down would be sectarian. What's sectarian about it i.e. maximising support for a position that both SF and the SDLP hold?

You think everyone decides that if they can't vote SDLP then they'll want to vote SF?

Of course not but you were the one going on about democracy. By standing the SDLP give the seat some someone who represents a minority view - that doesn't seem very democratic.

[Nally Stand]

NS, SF are the one's assisting the Orange Order by vindicating and replicating their actions.

No you see the Orange Order are trying to secure a Unionist representative over a mainly nationalist population. SF aren't replicating that. The SDLP are facilitating it.

[gallsman]

The fact that a significant number of SDLP voter in FST would not wish to be "represented" by Sinn Fein.

But you are saying for the SDLP to stand down would be sectarian. What's sectarian about it i.e. maximising support for a position that both SF and the SDLP hold?

You think everyone decides that if they can't vote SDLP then they'll want to vote SF?

Of course not but you were the one going on about democracy. By standing the SDLP give the seat some someone who represents a minority view - that doesn't seem very democratic.

What's democratic about reducing the number of candidates for whom an individual can vote?