International Rules 2010/2011

[Jinxy]

Again, if the players want to play in it and the fans want to watch, the hurlers on the ditch won't be listened to.

Westlife want to "sing" their shite; fans in their millions want to listen to it. It's still junk.

In your opinion. Course there's a lot out there that would disagree with that.

Do you?

[Redhand Santa]

Give me the international rules over that muck served up in the Aviva tonight any day - you'd save 40-50 euros as well.

[beat_er_in]

Ireland need them Aussies put back in their place, show them how a real game is played instead of runnin round a field wearin vests and pullin boys by the shorts :/

[Aerlik]

The Full Aussie squad:

•Todd Banfield (Brisbane Lions) - don't know much about him
•Eddie Betts (Carlton) - small and fast forward
•Matthew Boyd (Western Bulldogs) - don't know him
•Daniel Cross (Western Bulldogs) - ditto
•Patrick Dangerfield (Adelaide Crows) - strong, fast, great feet
•Paul Duffield (Fremantle) - almost sacked 2 years ago but now a very strong running and fcukin tough midfielder
•Dustin Fletcher (Essendon) - fossil, probably keeper
•James Frawley (Melbourne) - dunno
•Bryce Gibbs (Carlton) - will go through you for a short cut
•Sam Gilbert (St Kilda) - ditto
•Tyson Goldsack (Collingwood) - stupid name, big strong forward.
•Adam Goodes (Sydney Swans) - a man mountain.  Very powerful runner
•Brad Green (Melbourne) - hard as nails
•Garrick Ibbotson (Fremantle) - very fast midfielder.
•Kieran Jack (Sydney Swans) - will also go through you for short cut.  great tackler
•Jarrad McVeigh (Sydney Swans) - will run all day
•Leigh Montagna (St Kilda) - small powerful running midfielder
•Jack Riewoldt (Richmond) - the less famous cousin of Nick but a key forward
•Kade Simpson (Carlton) - dunno
•Dane Swan (Collingwood) - probably brought in to "toughen" things up a bit. Almost as famous for his tattoos.
•Travis Varcoe (Geelong Cats) - superb athlete.  Fast, strong and fckin tough
•David Wojcinski (Geelong Cats) - dunno

A better mix of height and strength this time by the Aussies.

[Never beat the deeler]

The Full Aussie squad:

•Todd Banfield (Brisbane Lions) - don't know much about him
•Eddie Betts (Carlton) - small and fast forward
•Matthew Boyd (Western Bulldogs) - don't know him
•Daniel Cross (Western Bulldogs) - ditto
•Patrick Dangerfield (Adelaide Crows) - strong, fast, great feet
•Paul Duffield (Fremantle) - almost sacked 2 years ago but now a very strong running and fcukin tough midfielder
•Dustin Fletcher (Essendon) - fossil, probably keeper
•James Frawley (Melbourne) - dunno
•Bryce Gibbs (Carlton) - will go through you for a short cut
•Sam Gilbert (St Kilda) - ditto
•Tyson Goldsack (Collingwood) - stupid name, big strong forward.
•Adam Goodes (Sydney Swans) - a man mountain.  Very powerful runner
•Brad Green (Melbourne) - hard as nails
•Garrick Ibbotson (Fremantle) - very fast midfielder.
•Kieran Jack (Sydney Swans) - will also go through you for short cut.  great tackler
•Jarrad McVeigh (Sydney Swans) - will run all day
•Leigh Montagna (St Kilda) - small powerful running midfielder
•Jack Riewoldt (Richmond) - the less famous cousin of Nick but a key forward
•Kade Simpson (Carlton) - dunno
•Dane Swan (Collingwood) - probably brought in to "toughen" things up a bit. Almost as famous for his tattoos.
•Travis Varcoe (Geelong Cats) - superb athlete.  Fast, strong and fckin tough
•David Wojcinski (Geelong Cats) - dunno

A better mix of height and strength this time by the Aussies.

Banfield is a crumb forward who just finished his first season with the Lions. Small, nippy, not really the type the Aussies usually bring to the party.

Thought Ablett said he was going to be involved?

[cavanmaniac]

I used to be such a fan of this series but now I just think it's all a cod.

There was a time when, with both teams going flat out for victory and not bothering with the sniping stuff, there were genuinely close and super fast, exciting contests. But with the Aussies being fully pro, it's clear to me it's just not viable to take them on in a real contest and expect anything but a hammering. Look at how we got our arses handed to us when Sheedy was in charge a few years ago, it was men against boys in the second test when they decided to maximise their advantages against us - strength and fitness mainly, although embarrassingly they're better than us with the round ball now too and score more overs usually.

Then after the brouhaha because of the violence, the Aussies put someone else in charge and they put out a weak team and played like meek lambs. The last test was pure dull I thought, no bite at all although you'd never want the chaos and mayhem again either.

I will still watch it and hope Ireland win, and I don't agree with actively campaigning against it either - if people/players etc. like it, let them at it - but IMO, when one side has to be neutered to compensate for the others massive weaknesses, then it is just not a real game.

But for the fans of it out there, I hope you enjoy it and that there's good games.

[supersarsfields]

Again, if the players want to play in it and the fans want to watch, the hurlers on the ditch won't be listened to.

Westlife want to "sing" their shite; fans in their millions want to listen to it. It's still junk.

In your opinion. Course there's a lot out there that would disagree with that.

Do you?

I disagree with his view on IR. And there's plenty out there who'll disagree with his view on West life.

[Hardy]

Again, if the players want to play in it and the fans want to watch, the hurlers on the ditch won't be listened to.

Westlife want to "sing" their shite; fans in their millions want to listen to it. It's still junk.

In your opinion. Course there's a lot out there that would disagree with that.

Do you?

I disagree with his view on IR. And there's plenty out there who'll disagree with his view on West life.

Does the fact that they don't think it's junk mean it's not junk?

[supersarsfields]

Again, if the players want to play in it and the fans want to watch, the hurlers on the ditch won't be listened to.

Westlife want to "sing" their shite; fans in their millions want to listen to it. It's still junk.

In your opinion. Course there's a lot out there that would disagree with that.

Do you?

I disagree with his view on IR. And there's plenty out there who'll disagree with his view on West life.

Does the fact that they don't think it's junk mean it's not junk?

Does the fact you think it is junk mean that it is junk? I know there's things I would view as junk that others don't. But I wouldn't be under the impression that my view was always the correct one. That would kinda smack of self importance. 

[Hardy]

Relativism can only take you so far. Sometimes you have to be categorical and say what you think. So - is Westlife junk or not?

[supersarsfields]

All you can do is give your opinion hardy. I'm no fan of westlife (wouldn't say I detest them either)
But I can accept and understand why some people do like them.

[Hardy]

All you can do is give your opinion hardy. I'm no fan of westlife (wouldn't say I detest them either)
But I can accept and understand why so people do like them.

Sure that was my whole point, in response to the point that players want to play it and people want to watch it - that popularity is irrelevant to quality.

[supersarsfields]

But my point is that your view of the quality of something isn't always the correct one. Were you see no quality, others do. It doesn't mean their wrong and your right!

[stephenite]

What's the point in going out of your way to tell them their opinion is wrong?
I assume Hardy doesn't hang around Westlife online discussion boards deriding teenage girls on their tastes?
It's the venom towards this thing that I haven't been able to understand. 

[Hardy]

But my point is that your view of the quality of something isn't always the correct one. Were you see no quality, others do. It doesn't mean their wrong and your right!

The debate about the quality of an individual item (say Westlife or International Rules) is a distraction from the point I wanted to make - that there's no argument that relates quality to popularity.

I said IR is junk. Stephenite said (effectively) it's popular. I said that doesn't mean it's not junk. That's all.

We can go on and debate whether anything you care to mention is good or bad, high quality or junk. I'd say that there are some things on which we have to abandon relativism, that are beyond opinion and are objectively junk.

Westlife, Boyzone, etc.
Reality TV
Tommy Lyons's opinions on football
Hello Magazine
Celebrity culture
Tyrone football
etc.