Ray Darcy - "I will leave the country if Enda Kenny becomes Taoiseach".

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stephenite

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 18, 2010, 11:55:40 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on February 18, 2010, 11:21:11 PM
Problem is that the taoiseach is elected by members of the Dail not the public. Unless Kenny isn't elected to the Dail then he's almost cert to be taoiseach. No one voted for Cowen to be taoiseach and I don't think they would have or will.

Enda will top the poll in Mayo, last time FG took 3 of 5 seats and just missed out on 4 of 5 seats. 4 Seats could well be within FG's grasp in Mayo when the FF/GP government falls. Expect to see Michelle Mulhern join the next Dail alonside Enda Kenny, John O'Mahoney & Michael Ring.

Also I have been very impressed by Enda over the last few days, Gilmore was good too and have to give credit where credits due Caoimhín O'Caoláin was good too (he really should oust Gerry Adams).

I don't think Michelle will take seat of Dara to be honest - if the two of them get elected all well and good but I can't see that happening either

Hardy

I think all it will take will be a two-question poll in one of the Sunday papers:

Would you vote FG with Enda Kenny as leader and possible taoiseach?
Would you vote FG with Richard Bruton as leader and possible taoiseach?

Such a poll will surely be inevitable, given that it's the issue on everybody's lips and the inevitable result will force the hand of the FG parliamentary party in advance of any general election. The electorate simply can't allow itself to re-elect FF in the wake of the financial crisis and the NAMA robbery, but equally can't bring itself to put Kenny in charge. With Bruton in charge, it's a shoo-in for FG.

However, I do detect a major change in Kenny's performance since he decided to "be himself" and he performed credibly on the News At One last week and again in the Dáil on the Williectomy debate, when he managed at least to seem passionate. There may be time for him to change the PR and redeem himself, though equally, now that he's "himself" and loose-cannoning out of the control of the handlers, some awful gaffe is probably only a sound bite away.

Mayo4Sam

You can be sure Endas being himself is well organized.

Enda will be left in as leader, Fg have learned the lessons of the past when Noonan shafted Bruton and effectively lost an election because of it. Bruton wont move until FG get into power, Enda will be given 12-18 months and then resign, giving RB time to set up for the next election.

I would still have major issues with Labour getting into power.
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Declan

QuoteI would still have major issues with Labour getting into power

Why?

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Quote from: stephenite on February 19, 2010, 03:30:09 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 18, 2010, 11:55:40 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on February 18, 2010, 11:21:11 PM
Problem is that the taoiseach is elected by members of the Dail not the public. Unless Kenny isn't elected to the Dail then he's almost cert to be taoiseach. No one voted for Cowen to be taoiseach and I don't think they would have or will.

Enda will top the poll in Mayo, last time FG took 3 of 5 seats and just missed out on 4 of 5 seats. 4 Seats could well be within FG's grasp in Mayo when the FF/GP government falls. Expect to see Michelle Mulhern join the next Dail alonside Enda Kenny, John O'Mahoney & Michael Ring.

Also I have been very impressed by Enda over the last few days, Gilmore was good too and have to give credit where credits due Caoimhín O'Caoláin was good too (he really should oust Gerry Adams).

I don't think Michelle will take seat of Dara to be honest - if the two of them get elected all well and good but I can't see that happening either

I actually think they both just might, the alternative in a 4 FG win would be two TD's for Castlebar again, but to be honest I think it would be better for Ballina to get two, Castlebar should be happy enough with a Taoiseach.
Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.

Bogball XV

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 18, 2010, 10:46:34 PM
Quote from: no mo do yakamo on February 18, 2010, 10:41:23 PM
time will tell. If common sense prevails...............

Yes hopefully Fianna Fail will disband and apologise for being a crime against the Irish people.
i honestly think that would be an excellent start on the road to recovery, however, I'd like FG to do the same.

Bogball XV

Quote from: stephenite on February 19, 2010, 03:30:09 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 18, 2010, 11:55:40 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on February 18, 2010, 11:21:11 PM
Problem is that the taoiseach is elected by members of the Dail not the public. Unless Kenny isn't elected to the Dail then he's almost cert to be taoiseach. No one voted for Cowen to be taoiseach and I don't think they would have or will.

Enda will top the poll in Mayo, last time FG took 3 of 5 seats and just missed out on 4 of 5 seats. 4 Seats could well be within FG's grasp in Mayo when the FF/GP government falls. Expect to see Michelle Mulhern join the next Dail alonside Enda Kenny, John O'Mahoney & Michael Ring.

Also I have been very impressed by Enda over the last few days, Gilmore was good too and have to give credit where credits due Caoimhín O'Caoláin was good too (he really should oust Gerry Adams).

I don't think Michelle will take seat of Dara to be honest - if the two of them get elected all well and good but I can't see that happening either
that'd be dara calleary who managed to take the seat his father and grandfather held before him, ah, family dynasties are great aren't they ???

Farrandeelin

Quote from: Bogball XV on February 19, 2010, 03:48:14 PM
Quote from: stephenite on February 19, 2010, 03:30:09 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 18, 2010, 11:55:40 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on February 18, 2010, 11:21:11 PM
Problem is that the taoiseach is elected by members of the Dail not the public. Unless Kenny isn't elected to the Dail then he's almost cert to be taoiseach. No one voted for Cowen to be taoiseach and I don't think they would have or will.

Enda will top the poll in Mayo, last time FG took 3 of 5 seats and just missed out on 4 of 5 seats. 4 Seats could well be within FG's grasp in Mayo when the FF/GP government falls. Expect to see Michelle Mulhern join the next Dail alonside Enda Kenny, John O'Mahoney & Michael Ring.

Also I have been very impressed by Enda over the last few days, Gilmore was good too and have to give credit where credits due Caoimhín O'Caoláin was good too (he really should oust Gerry Adams).

I don't think Michelle will take seat of Dara to be honest - if the two of them get elected all well and good but I can't see that happening either
that'd be dara calleary who managed to take the seat his father and grandfather held before him, ah, family dynasties are great aren't they ???

No, that'd be the seat Dara won because there was no Ballina TD ;). If Michelle and Dara could be elected it would be great.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 19, 2010, 04:53:04 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on February 19, 2010, 03:48:14 PM
Quote from: stephenite on February 19, 2010, 03:30:09 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 18, 2010, 11:55:40 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on February 18, 2010, 11:21:11 PM
Problem is that the taoiseach is elected by members of the Dail not the public. Unless Kenny isn't elected to the Dail then he's almost cert to be taoiseach. No one voted for Cowen to be taoiseach and I don't think they would have or will.

Enda will top the poll in Mayo, last time FG took 3 of 5 seats and just missed out on 4 of 5 seats. 4 Seats could well be within FG's grasp in Mayo when the FF/GP government falls. Expect to see Michelle Mulhern join the next Dail alonside Enda Kenny, John O'Mahoney & Michael Ring.

Also I have been very impressed by Enda over the last few days, Gilmore was good too and have to give credit where credits due Caoimhín O'Caoláin was good too (he really should oust Gerry Adams).

I don't think Michelle will take seat of Dara to be honest - if the two of them get elected all well and good but I can't see that happening either
that'd be dara calleary who managed to take the seat his father and grandfather held before him, ah, family dynasties are great aren't they ???

No, that'd be the seat Dara won because there was no Ballina TD ;). If Michelle and Dara could be elected it would be great.

While I tend to agree that there is an element of truth to what Bogball is saying, Farrandeelin is closer to the mark, Ballina managed to somehow end up with no TD in the previous Dail, they nearly managed to get two last time. Castlebar & Ballina (esp. Castlebar) are major deciders in who gets seats in Mayo, Westport can usually hover up one for itself. This is largely to do with the fact that Castlebar with its tight urban border and Ballina with its urban boundary being far looser are large provincial towns and Westport is a medium sized one with a huge geographical area part of its urban boundary. This is all in the countries 3'rd largest county (significantly larger than Donegal and not far behind Galway) but with a population is 17'th behind behing much smaller counties such as Wicklow, Wexford, Armagh for example.
Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.

Bogball XV

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 19, 2010, 05:52:23 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 19, 2010, 04:53:04 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on February 19, 2010, 03:48:14 PM
Quote from: stephenite on February 19, 2010, 03:30:09 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 18, 2010, 11:55:40 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on February 18, 2010, 11:21:11 PM
Problem is that the taoiseach is elected by members of the Dail not the public. Unless Kenny isn't elected to the Dail then he's almost cert to be taoiseach. No one voted for Cowen to be taoiseach and I don't think they would have or will.

Enda will top the poll in Mayo, last time FG took 3 of 5 seats and just missed out on 4 of 5 seats. 4 Seats could well be within FG's grasp in Mayo when the FF/GP government falls. Expect to see Michelle Mulhern join the next Dail alonside Enda Kenny, John O'Mahoney & Michael Ring.

Also I have been very impressed by Enda over the last few days, Gilmore was good too and have to give credit where credits due Caoimhín O'Caoláin was good too (he really should oust Gerry Adams).

I don't think Michelle will take seat of Dara to be honest - if the two of them get elected all well and good but I can't see that happening either
that'd be dara calleary who managed to take the seat his father and grandfather held before him, ah, family dynasties are great aren't they ???

No, that'd be the seat Dara won because there was no Ballina TD ;). If Michelle and Dara could be elected it would be great.

While I tend to agree that there is an element of truth to what Bogball is saying, Farrandeelin is closer to the mark, Ballina managed to somehow end up with no TD in the previous Dail, they nearly managed to get two last time. Castlebar & Ballina (esp. Castlebar) are major deciders in who gets seats in Mayo, Westport can usually hover up one for itself. This is largely to do with the fact that Castlebar with its tight urban border and Ballina with its urban boundary being far looser are large provincial towns and Westport is a medium sized one with a huge geographical area part of its urban boundary. This is all in the countries 3'rd largest county (significantly larger than Donegal and not far behind Galway) but with a population is 17'th behind behing much smaller counties such as Wicklow, Wexford, Armagh for example.
well I suppose castlebar wouldn't be without its political dynasties either.  I understand what you're saying stephenite, but why does each town need its own td?  surely to God it's enough to get 5 td's for the county without each town thinking it'll lose out if it doesn't have its  own td - that parochialism is exactly what's wrong with irish politics.

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Quote from: Bogball XV on February 19, 2010, 07:23:31 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 19, 2010, 05:52:23 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 19, 2010, 04:53:04 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on February 19, 2010, 03:48:14 PM
Quote from: stephenite on February 19, 2010, 03:30:09 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 18, 2010, 11:55:40 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on February 18, 2010, 11:21:11 PM
Problem is that the taoiseach is elected by members of the Dail not the public. Unless Kenny isn't elected to the Dail then he's almost cert to be taoiseach. No one voted for Cowen to be taoiseach and I don't think they would have or will.

Enda will top the poll in Mayo, last time FG took 3 of 5 seats and just missed out on 4 of 5 seats. 4 Seats could well be within FG's grasp in Mayo when the FF/GP government falls. Expect to see Michelle Mulhern join the next Dail alonside Enda Kenny, John O'Mahoney & Michael Ring.

Also I have been very impressed by Enda over the last few days, Gilmore was good too and have to give credit where credits due Caoimhín O'Caoláin was good too (he really should oust Gerry Adams).

I don't think Michelle will take seat of Dara to be honest - if the two of them get elected all well and good but I can't see that happening either
that'd be dara calleary who managed to take the seat his father and grandfather held before him, ah, family dynasties are great aren't they ???

No, that'd be the seat Dara won because there was no Ballina TD ;). If Michelle and Dara could be elected it would be great.

While I tend to agree that there is an element of truth to what Bogball is saying, Farrandeelin is closer to the mark, Ballina managed to somehow end up with no TD in the previous Dail, they nearly managed to get two last time. Castlebar & Ballina (esp. Castlebar) are major deciders in who gets seats in Mayo, Westport can usually hover up one for itself. This is largely to do with the fact that Castlebar with its tight urban border and Ballina with its urban boundary being far looser are large provincial towns and Westport is a medium sized one with a huge geographical area part of its urban boundary. This is all in the countries 3'rd largest county (significantly larger than Donegal and not far behind Galway) but with a population is 17'th behind behing much smaller counties such as Wicklow, Wexford, Armagh for example.
well I suppose castlebar wouldn't be without its political dynasties either.  I understand what you're saying stephenite, but why does each town need its own td?  surely to God it's enough to get 5 td's for the county without each town thinking it'll lose out if it doesn't have its  own td - that parochialism is exactly what's wrong with irish politics.

Well once Enda gets in I'm really hoping Castlebar doesn't get a second T.D.  ;)
Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.

Eoghan Mag

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 18, 2010, 11:55:40 PM

Also I have been very impressed by Enda over the last few days, Gilmore was good too and have to give credit where credits due Caoimhín O'Caoláin was good too (he really should oust Gerry Adams).

The only problem with Caoimhín being boss is that its harder to spell his name, but I agree, it is high time for a change of leadership in Sinn Féin.

mylestheslasher

Quote from: Eoghan Mag on February 19, 2010, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 18, 2010, 11:55:40 PM

Also I have been very impressed by Enda over the last few days, Gilmore was good too and have to give credit where credits due Caoimhín O'Caoláin was good too (he really should oust Gerry Adams).

The only problem with Caoimhín being boss is that its harder to spell his name, but I agree, it is high time for a change of leadership in Sinn Féin.

If he had've been let run the show in the last election SF would've done better imo. Adams is seen as out of touch in the south.

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Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 19, 2010, 09:26:37 PM
Quote from: Eoghan Mag on February 19, 2010, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 18, 2010, 11:55:40 PM

Also I have been very impressed by Enda over the last few days, Gilmore was good too and have to give credit where credits due Caoimhín O'Caoláin was good too (he really should oust Gerry Adams).

The only problem with Caoimhín being boss is that its harder to spell his name, but I agree, it is high time for a change of leadership in Sinn Féin.

If he had've been let run the show in the last election SF would've done better imo. Adams is seen as out of touch in the south.

You all know my colours, I will never identify with Adams, but Caoimhín might bring the party to a place where more 26 county residents could identify with.
Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.

Farrandeelin

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 19, 2010, 09:37:20 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 19, 2010, 09:26:37 PM
Quote from: Eoghan Mag on February 19, 2010, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 18, 2010, 11:55:40 PM

Also I have been very impressed by Enda over the last few days, Gilmore was good too and have to give credit where credits due Caoimhín O'Caoláin was good too (he really should oust Gerry Adams).

The only problem with Caoimhín being boss is that its harder to spell his name, but I agree, it is high time for a change of leadership in Sinn Féin.

If he had've been let run the show in the last election SF would've done better imo. Adams is seen as out of touch in the south.

You all know my colours, I will never identify with Adams, but Caoimhín might bring the party to a place where more 26 county residents could identify with.

Green and Red?? FF and Labour :P
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