Thug who beat thug freed

[BallyhaiseMan]

 Guys I think i found someone who be of assistance!

[A Quinn Martin Production]

Some of the defences here ...he was in shock..adrenalin was pumping...aren't too far away from "I was so drunk Your Honour I can't remember raping the girl and had I been sober I wouldn't have done it"

Crazy comparison and not in the same league. One is an innocent girl and the other "victim" is after holding you at knifepoint with your family and robbed you in your own home.

Behave yourself.

Oh FFS you really have to take it slowly with some people...I was taking about using the defence of not being in contol to justify an action...there was no rape...

No, you've made an arse of yourself there. There is no comparison in the defence of these attacks.

Where did I say there was a rape? 

Jesus H Christ...

OK just for you "I was so drunk Your Honour I can't remember killing the guy/breaking the window/hijacking the plane/embezzling the bank/smacking the referee/riding my sister in law/diving for a penalty and had I been sober I wouldn't have done it"

I'm off for my lunch

[bingobus]

Crazy comparison and not in the same league. One is an innocent girl and the other "victim" is after holding you at knifepoint with your family and robbed you in your own home.

Behave yourself.

Jesus H Christ...

OK just for you "I was so drunk Your Honour I can't remember killing the guy/breaking the window/hijacking the plane/embezzling the bank/smacking the referee/riding my sister in law/diving for a penalty and had I been sober I wouldn't have done it"

I'm off for my lunch
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You said claiming to be drunk as a defence isn't too far away from this person claiming shock/adrenalin as a defence in this case.

Case 1 - Hussein batters the head of the man with a cricket bat in the street. Hussein claims he was drunk and didn't know what he was doing.
Cas2 2 - Hussein batters the head of the man with a crciket bat in the street. Hussein claims that moments earlier this man had held him and his family captive at knifepoint with two other men and robbed them.

Yes, you are right they are very similar. FFS.

[A Quinn Martin Production]

Crazy comparison and not in the same league. One is an innocent girl and the other "victim" is after holding you at knifepoint with your family and robbed you in your own home.

Behave yourself.

Jesus H Christ...

OK just for you "I was so drunk Your Honour I can't remember killing the guy/breaking the window/hijacking the plane/embezzling the bank/smacking the referee/riding my sister in law/diving for a penalty and had I been sober I wouldn't have done it"

I'm off for my lunch

You said claiming to be drunk as a defence isn't too far away from this person claiming shock/adrenalin as a defence in this case.

Case 1 - Hussein batters the head of the man with a cricket bat in the street. Hussein claims he was drunk and didn't know what he was doing.
Cas2 2 - Hussein batters the head of the man with a crciket bat in the street. Hussein claims that moments earlier this man had held him and his family captive at knifepoint with two other men and robbed them.

Yes, you are right they are very similar. FFS.
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You've finally got it

Case 1 - Hussein batters the head of the man with a cricket bat in the street. Hussein claims he was drunk and didn't know what he was doing and therefore was not responsbile for his actions

Case 2 - Hussein batters the head of the man with a crciket bat in the street. Hussein claims that moments earlier this man had held him and his family captive at knifepoint with two other men and robbed them.  He was in the heat of the moment in shock, angry, confused, outraged and therefore was not responsible for his actions

[brokencrossbar1]

This is a very simple situation, and Hussein is a very lucky man that he wasn't convicted of Attempted murder never mind Greivous Bodily harm.  I have sympathy for him that he reacted the way he did but as soon as he started chasing the intruder down the street he left the realm of being a defender and entered the recklous zone that criminals live in.  Of course he was demented with fear for his wife and family( as I would be) but as many have pointed out the first reaction really should have been to check out that they were safe and well and not become a vigilante.  This role  has become more and more acceptable in society and lauded moreso than frowned upon.  That is wrong.  To have any form of civilised society there have to be rules both formal written laws and natural laws.  Irrespective of the harm caused by one to another no one has the right to talk retributive action that results in this type of injury.  A broken cricket bat ffs would suggest to me that every ounce of energy was used to do as much damage as possible and given the burglars final injuries I would suspect that Hussein didn't care a wit if he lived or died and hence my feelings that he should have been convicted of Attempted Murder. 

We may not accept that the police will do their job but there is only so much they can do.  We cannot hypothesize about whether or not this burglar would have come back as none of us are Nostradamus.  Hussein broke the law the same way as the burglar did.  There is a case for reasonable force to be used to protect your home and I fully agree that should be the case but this force was unreasonable and given the fact that it was done halfway down the street there was malice in it as well in my opinion.

[BallyhaiseMan]

Hussein should be given a medal for services towards the community.
Just think of how many innocent people he was saved from the torment his family went through.


Now i dont advocate America's 3 strike rule,because theres been guys sentenced to life for little or nothing,
But surely after say 10 convictions,there should be something like a mandatory 10 year period in jail,which would act as a good deterrance.
A Guy walking around free with 50 convictions is a joke.

[full back]

This is a very simple situation, and Hussein is a very lucky man that he wasn't convicted of Attempted murder never mind Greivous Bodily harm.  I have sympathy for him that he reacted the way he did but as soon as he started chasing the intruder down the street he left the realm of being a defender and entered the recklous zone that criminals live in.  Of course he was demented with fear for his wife and family( as I would be) but as many have pointed out the first reaction really should have been to check out that they were safe and well and not become a vigilante.  This role  has become more and more acceptable in society and lauded moreso than frowned upon.  That is wrong.  To have any form of civilised society there have to be rules both formal written laws and natural laws.  Irrespective of the harm caused by one to another no one has the right to talk retributive action that results in this type of injury.  A broken cricket bat ffs would suggest to me that every ounce of energy was used to do as much damage as possible and given the burglars final injuries I would suspect that Hussein didn't care a wit if he lived or died and hence my feelings that he should have been convicted of Attempted Murder. 

We may not accept that the police will do their job but there is only so much they can do.  We cannot hypothesize about whether or not this burglar would have come back as none of us are Nostradamus.  Hussein broke the law the same way as the burglar did.  There is a case for reasonable force to be used to protect your home and I fully agree that should be the case but this force was unreasonable and given the fact that it was done halfway down the street there was malice in it as well in my opinion.

Its all well saying this is the way it should be bc, but it isnt.
In much the same way as thugs with 50+ convictions still shouldnt be free to terrorise families.

If the sc**bag hadnt just terrorised the family, robbed them & threatened to kill them it wouldnt have happened.

[A Quinn Martin Production]

Hussein should be given a medal for services towards the community.
Just think of how many innocent people he was saved from the torment his family went through.


Now i dont advocate America's 3 strike rule,because theres been guys sentenced to life for little or nothing,
But surely after say 10 convictions,there should be something like a mandatory 10 year period in jail,which would act as a good deterrance.
A Guy walking around free with 50 convictions is a joke.

Agree 100% but put him in jail where he belongs, not at the end of cricket bat

[A Quinn Martin Production]

This is a very simple situation, and Hussein is a very lucky man that he wasn't convicted of Attempted murder never mind Greivous Bodily harm.  I have sympathy for him that he reacted the way he did but as soon as he started chasing the intruder down the street he left the realm of being a defender and entered the recklous zone that criminals live in.  Of course he was demented with fear for his wife and family( as I would be) but as many have pointed out the first reaction really should have been to check out that they were safe and well and not become a vigilante.  This role  has become more and more acceptable in society and lauded moreso than frowned upon.  That is wrong.  To have any form of civilised society there have to be rules both formal written laws and natural laws.  Irrespective of the harm caused by one to another no one has the right to talk retributive action that results in this type of injury.  A broken cricket bat ffs would suggest to me that every ounce of energy was used to do as much damage as possible and given the burglars final injuries I would suspect that Hussein didn't care a wit if he lived or died and hence my feelings that he should have been convicted of Attempted Murder. 

We may not accept that the police will do their job but there is only so much they can do.  We cannot hypothesize about whether or not this burglar would have come back as none of us are Nostradamus.  Hussein broke the law the same way as the burglar did.  There is a case for reasonable force to be used to protect your home and I fully agree that should be the case but this force was unreasonable and given the fact that it was done halfway down the street there was malice in it as well in my opinion.

Its all well saying this is the way it should be bc, but it isnt.
In much the same way as thugs with 50+ convictions still shouldnt be free to terrorise families.

If the sc**bag hadnt just terrorised the family, robbed them & threatened to kill them it wouldnt have happened.

Agree 100%

[Bing Crosby .]

This is a very simple situation, and Hussein is a very lucky man that he wasn't convicted of Attempted murder never mind Greivous Bodily harm.  I have sympathy for him that he reacted the way he did but as soon as he started chasing the intruder down the street he left the realm of being a defender and entered the recklous zone that criminals live in.  Of course he was demented with fear for his wife and family( as I would be) but as many have pointed out the first reaction really should have been to check out that they were safe and well and not become a vigilante.  This role  has become more and more acceptable in society and lauded moreso than frowned upon.  That is wrong.  To have any form of civilised society there have to be rules both formal written laws and natural laws.  Irrespective of the harm caused by one to another no one has the right to talk retributive action that results in this type of injury.  A broken cricket bat ffs would suggest to me that every ounce of energy was used to do as much damage as possible and given the burglars final injuries I would suspect that Hussein didn't care a wit if he lived or died and hence my feelings that he should have been convicted of Attempted Murder. 

We may not accept that the police will do their job but there is only so much they can do.  We cannot hypothesize about whether or not this burglar would have come back as none of us are Nostradamus.  Hussein broke the law the same way as the burglar did.  There is a case for reasonable force to be used to protect your home and I fully agree that should be the case but this force was unreasonable and given the fact that it was done halfway down the street there was malice in it as well in my opinion.

My sentiments exactly , that a very good post brokencrossbar1 .

[ziggysego]

This is a very simple situation, and Hussein is a very lucky man that he wasn't convicted of Attempted murder never mind Greivous Bodily harm.  I have sympathy for him that he reacted the way he did but as soon as he started chasing the intruder down the street he left the realm of being a defender and entered the recklous zone that criminals live in.  Of course he was demented with fear for his wife and family( as I would be) but as many have pointed out the first reaction really should have been to check out that they were safe and well and not become a vigilante.  This role  has become more and more acceptable in society and lauded moreso than frowned upon.  That is wrong.  To have any form of civilised society there have to be rules both formal written laws and natural laws.  Irrespective of the harm caused by one to another no one has the right to talk retributive action that results in this type of injury.  A broken cricket bat ffs would suggest to me that every ounce of energy was used to do as much damage as possible and given the burglars final injuries I would suspect that Hussein didn't care a wit if he lived or died and hence my feelings that he should have been convicted of Attempted Murder. 

We may not accept that the police will do their job but there is only so much they can do.  We cannot hypothesize about whether or not this burglar would have come back as none of us are Nostradamus.  Hussein broke the law the same way as the burglar did.  There is a case for reasonable force to be used to protect your home and I fully agree that should be the case but this force was unreasonable and given the fact that it was done halfway down the street there was malice in it as well in my opinion.

Spot on. Couldn't agree more.

[An Gaeilgoir]

This is a very simple situation, and Hussein is a very lucky man that he wasn't convicted of Attempted murder never mind Greivous Bodily harm.  I have sympathy for him that he reacted the way he did but as soon as he started chasing the intruder down the street he left the realm of being a defender and entered the recklous zone that criminals live in.  Of course he was demented with fear for his wife and family( as I would be) but as many have pointed out the first reaction really should have been to check out that they were safe and well and not become a vigilante.  This role  has become more and more acceptable in society and lauded moreso than frowned upon.  That is wrong.  To have any form of civilised society there have to be rules both formal written laws and natural laws.  Irrespective of the harm caused by one to another no one has the right to talk retributive action that results in this type of injury.  A broken cricket bat ffs would suggest to me that every ounce of energy was used to do as much damage as possible and given the burglars final injuries I would suspect that Hussein didn't care a wit if he lived or died and hence my feelings that he should have been convicted of Attempted Murder. 

We may not accept that the police will do their job but there is only so much they can do.  We cannot hypothesize about whether or not this burglar would have come back as none of us are Nostradamus.  Hussein broke the law the same way as the burglar did.  There is a case for reasonable force to be used to protect your home and I fully agree that should be the case but this force was unreasonable and given the fact that it was done halfway down the street there was malice in it as well in my opinion.

Its all well saying this is the way it should be bc, but it isnt.
In much the same way as thugs with 50+ convictions still shouldnt be free to terrorise families.

If the sc**bag hadnt just terrorised the family, robbed them & threatened to kill them it wouldnt have happened.

Agree 100%

Agree as well, but when jail is not a deterrent, relaxed bail laws are the norm and handouts at every turn for these individuals, legal loopholes everywhere, no rural policing,what is an ordinary Joe to do to protect himself and his family when they come under attack? Sit back and wait until the criminal is finished terrorising his family and robbing him blind. If you come invade someones private property to carry out a crime, then be prepared to get whats coming, end of story. If the bleeding hearts want to protect these animals who have no respect for anyone of anything, let them, but if they or their family were attacked resulting in their  kids lying awake at night wondering if the bad men are going to come back and the missus totally paranoid about every noise outside the house, not to mention the total violation of the one secure and safe place. I know a family who are now like this following a robbery, a father who constantly blames himself for not doing more, i wonder if their attitude would still be the same. Break in to a house, your rights go and if that tresults in a criminals death or serious injury - hazard of the job.

[nrico2006]

As it has been questioned here, how did the burglar only make it down the street abit in the time Hussain freed himself and shouted for his brother?  Every persons natural instincts are not the same, alot of people would react like mentioned here (go to family and check on them etc) but alot would be filled with anger and do what Hussain did - is it a crime?  IMO it is not.  Instinct kicked in and whether it be the protective one or the one that kicked in with Hussain, he should not be held accountable as he was as provoked as any man could be.  He didn't ask to be assaulted, burgled and threatened.  The scum bag who ended up being hit for 6 was the reason for this incident.  What would happen if the chase had started in the house, should Hussain have stopped the moment he reached his front door?  This kind of incident has been creeping about over the past few years, with the victims becoming the accused.  I remember the Martin and Nally incidents, as well as incidents involving Duncan Ferguson when he caught burglers in his house and was accused of assault (more than once I believe).  The law seems to be on the side of the burglar, but as someone mentioned earlier any rights they have are out the window the moment they committ this type of crime.  How often do you here about the elderly in Northern Ireland being assaulted and burgled, this problem is getting worse and how should the scum that committ such acts have any rights in light of their actions?  Its worse in America where I remember hearing of a Burglar who fell through a skylight and sued the owner of the house.  What would be peoples reactions here if they found someone interfering with a kid, would their opinion change?  Should they restrain themselves and follow procedure or give the perpetrator what he deserves? 

[Hardy]

A thought just occurred that could be relevant to this situation: what is the legal standing of a citizen's arrest or is it just the stuff of fiction? Supposing I fail to lamp him with the hurley and he gets away out the gate and down the road. Here's a suspected criminal escaping and here's me, a responsible citizen. Am I entitled to chase him, arrest him and hand him over to the guards? And if he resists arrest, am I allowed to subdue him with the hurley? How hard? "Maimed while trying to escape arrest, yer honour"?

[A Quinn Martin Production]

As it has been questioned here, how did the burglar only make it down the street abit in the time Hussain freed himself and shouted for his brother?  Every persons natural instincts are not the same, alot of people would react like mentioned here (go to family and check on them etc) but alot would be filled with anger and do what Hussain did - is it a crime?  IMO it is not.  Instinct kicked in and whether it be the protective one or the one that kicked in with Hussain, he should not be held accountable as he was as provoked as any man could be.  He didn't ask to be assaulted, burgled and threatened.  The scum bag who ended up being hit for 6 was the reason for this incident.  What would happen if the chase had started in the house, should Hussain have stopped the moment he reached his front door?  This kind of incident has been creeping about over the past few years, with the victims becoming the accused.  I remember the Martin and Nally incidents, as well as incidents involving Duncan Ferguson when he caught burglers in his house and was accused of assault (more than once I believe).  The law seems to be on the side of the burglar, but as someone mentioned earlier any rights they have are out the window the moment they committ this type of crime.  How often do you here about the elderly in Northern Ireland being assaulted and burgled, this problem is getting worse and how should the scum that committ such acts have any rights in light of their actions?  Its worse in America where I remember hearing of a Burglar who fell through a skylight and sued the owner of the house.  What would be peoples reactions here if they found someone interfering with a kid, would their opinion change?  Should they restrain themselves and follow procedure or give the perpetrator what he deserves?

I'm not 100% sure nrico but I think Mr Hussain arrived home to find the burglary in progress...I don't think he was tied up himself.  As to his brother...he phoned him...maybe he lived nearby??