Thug who beat thug freed

[full back]

If the state cant protect you well then protect yourself and your family.

Correct

You are allowed to protect yourself and your family and indeed your property, the law and the state have no problem with this...you are not allowed to exact revenge when not under threat. 

So, if he cracked the thief's head open with a cricket bat while he was terrorising the family inside the house this would be acceptable?

[An Gaeilgoir]

Two ran after him , caught him and almost beat him to death with a cricket bat . I don't  care how traumatised they were , they should of given him a couple of digs maybe and then held until the law arrived . No instead this Hussain fellow busted a cricket bat off his pole. Do you know how strong a cricket bat is ? Have you ever held a cricket bat in your hand ? Much stronger than a hurley let me tell you that .
Sort of reminds me of the Lally case there a year or two ago . That Lally fellow should also be locked up . He went the whole hog and shot the guy dead .  Injustices evrywhere you turn .

At last, someone speaking sense in here. Thank you, I was getting lonely.

Fox, don't flatter yourself. I actually believe what I'm saying 

Not a bother ziggy .   I only speak what I believe is true .

Come and live where Padraig Nally lives, go through the fear and constant terror he experienced for months before hand from this kn**ker and then maybe you can be in a position to comment. The nearest Garda station is 6 miles away and is manned for a hour in the morning and evening, this kn**ker was out on bail with tens of previous convictions, sponging off the state, getting everything for free regardless of anti- social beheviour or convictions. As someone who lives close to and knows this man i can tell you he wasn't the one who went looking for trouble that day, but the criminal who went to rob that day reaped what he sowed in the months previous. The numbers of "visitors" calling to isolated farms around that area has declined since and that is the way it should be. If the state cant protect you well then protect yourself and your family.

Paint it anyway like An Geailgoir as far as I'm concerned he stood over him and shot until he was dead . That a vicious murder in any mans language . You're probably right about him living in fear and so on I've heard it all before . He didn't have to kill him when he already disabled him with the first shot .  A voilent murder where justice was not done .  Nally should be jail for many many years to come but he's not . A crazy f**king country we live in .

Agreed this is a crazy country, people who are convicted of numerous serious crimes walking around on bail as there is no where for the state to put them, getting free legal aid, social welfare, free housing and help at every turn from the state. Where is the state when it comes to protecting the law abiding good people of this state? Crazy country is right.

[Bing Crosby .]

There was a very high profile case in in Norfolk about 10 years ago where some farmer shot an intruder dead while coming down the stairs inside of his home. I forget what happened for a finish there , does anyone remember ? 

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There was a very high profile case in in Norfolk about 10 years ago where some farmer shot an intruder dead while coming down the stairs inside of his home. I forget what happened for a finish there , does anyone remember ?

Tony Martin?

[ziggysego]

There was a very high profile case in in Norfolk about 10 years ago where some farmer shot an intruder dead while coming down the stairs inside of his home. I forget what happened for a finish there , does anyone remember ?

Tony Martin?

If memory serves me correctly, he got a life sentence. Upon appeal, the convicion was reduced to manslaughter to which he got 10 years. He got a further 3 years for causing injury to the 2nd person.

[bingobus]

Some of the defences here ...he was in shock..adrenalin was pumping...aren't too far away from "I was so drunk Your Honour I can't remember raping the girl and had I been sober I wouldn't have done it"

Crazy comparison and not in the same league. One is an innocent girl and the other "victim" is after holding you at knifepoint with your family and robbed you in your own home.

Behave yourself.

[A Quinn Martin Production]

If the state cant protect you well then protect yourself and your family.

Correct

You are allowed to protect yourself and your family and indeed your property, the law and the state have no problem with this...you are not allowed to exact revenge when not under threat. 

So, if he cracked the thief's head open with a cricket bat while he was terrorising the family inside the house this would be acceptable?

Yes.  Had he done it inside the house he may have got a caution from the police about further behaviour but I doubt he would have got a two year prison sentence.  The key here is how much under threat you are.  The law recognises that if you wake up in the middle of the night and someone is in your house (uninvited of course) then their very being there constitutes are threat and you are allowed to use reasonable force to proctect yourself, your family and your property.  It doesn't matter whether they are wielding a knife or admiring the view from your kitchen window.  In my view the situation inside the house was usch that Hussain (?) was entitled to whack him with a cricket bat esp. since there were three burglars in the house.  But once he started to chase one of them down the road the threat to him, his family and property was clearly over, therefore no right to attack him with a cricket bat.

[Bing Crosby .]

Two ran after him , caught him and almost beat him to death with a cricket bat . I don't  care how traumatised they were , they should of given him a couple of digs maybe and then held until the law arrived . No instead this Hussain fellow busted a cricket bat off his pole. Do you know how strong a cricket bat is ? Have you ever held a cricket bat in your hand ? Much stronger than a hurley let me tell you that .
Sort of reminds me of the Lally case there a year or two ago . That Lally fellow should also be locked up . He went the whole hog and shot the guy dead .  Injustices evrywhere you turn .

At last, someone speaking sense in here. Thank you, I was getting lonely.

Fox, don't flatter yourself. I actually believe what I'm saying 

Not a bother ziggy .   I only speak what I believe is true .

Come and live where Padraig Nally lives, go through the fear and constant terror he experienced for months before hand from this kn**ker and then maybe you can be in a position to comment. The nearest Garda station is 6 miles away and is manned for a hour in the morning and evening, this kn**ker was out on bail with tens of previous convictions, sponging off the state, getting everything for free regardless of anti- social beheviour or convictions. As someone who lives close to and knows this man i can tell you he wasn't the one who went looking for trouble that day, but the criminal who went to rob that day reaped what he sowed in the months previous. The numbers of "visitors" calling to isolated farms around that area has declined since and that is the way it should be. If the state cant protect you well then protect yourself and your family.

Paint it anyway like An Geailgoir as far as I'm concerned he stood over him and shot until he was dead . That a vicious murder in any mans language . You're probably right about him living in fear and so on I've heard it all before . He didn't have to kill him when he already disabled him with the first shot .  A voilent murder where justice was not done .  Nally should be jail for many many years to come but he's not . A crazy f**king country we live in .

Agreed this is a crazy country, people who are convicted of numerous serious crimes walking around on bail as there is no where for the state to put them, getting free legal aid, social welfare, free housing and help at every turn from the state. Where is the state when it comes to protecting the law abiding good people of this state? Crazy country is right.

Good post I agree completely with you .

Tony Martin thats the guy . He got was coming to him .  He wouldn't be any relation to Martin would he ?

[full back]

But once he started to chase one of them down the road the threat to him, his family and property was clearly over, therefore no right to attack him with a cricket bat.

Clearly over.....doubt it
The fear, that they may have to live with, for the rest of their lives doesnt mean it was clearly over.
What if he comes back to terrorise them again?

Yer man Hussain was trying to make sure it would never happen again.

He defended his family, regardless of were the attack took place, and this is how it should be

[A Quinn Martin Production]

Some of the defences here ...he was in shock..adrenalin was pumping...aren't too far away from "I was so drunk Your Honour I can't remember raping the girl and had I been sober I wouldn't have done it"

Crazy comparison and not in the same league. One is an innocent girl and the other "victim" is after holding you at knifepoint with your family and robbed you in your own home.

Behave yourself.

Oh FFS you really have to take it slowly with some people...I was taking about using the defence of not being in contol to justify an action...there was no rape...

[Tony Baloney]

If the state cant protect you well then protect yourself and your family.

Correct

You are allowed to protect yourself and your family and indeed your property, the law and the state have no problem with this...you are not allowed to exact revenge when not under threat. 

So, if he cracked the thief's head open with a cricket bat while he was terrorising the family inside the house this would be acceptable?

Yes. Yer man should have been more concerned about his wife and children than rounding up a posse to chase yer man down the street. In that case no then it isn't acceptable.

All you tight men would probably be hiding under the bed anyway...

But once he started to chase one of them down the road the threat to him, his family and property was clearly over, therefore no right to attack him with a cricket bat.

Clearly over.....doubt it
The fear, that they may have to live with, for the rest of their lives doesnt mean it was clearly over.
What if he comes back to terrorise them again?

Yer man Hussain was trying to make sure it would never happen again.

He defended his family, regardless of were the attack took place, and this is how it should be

Clearly wrong again. The only way he could be certain of that was to kill the perp and all his mates. He didn't do that. Half-measures.

[A Quinn Martin Production]

But once he started to chase one of them down the road the threat to him, his family and property was clearly over, therefore no right to attack him with a cricket bat.

Clearly over.....doubt it
The fear, that they may have to live with, for the rest of their lives doesnt mean it was clearly over.
What if he comes back to terrorise them again?

Yer man Hussain was trying to make sure it would never happen again.

He defended his family, regardless of were the attack took place, and this is how it should be

Hypothesis.  Let's stick to the facts m'lud.

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But once he started to chase one of them down the road the threat to him, his family and property was clearly over, therefore no right to attack him with a cricket bat.

Clearly over.....doubt it
The fear, that they may have to live with, for the rest of their lives doesnt mean it was clearly over.
What if he comes back to terrorise them again?

Yer man Hussain was trying to make sure it would never happen again.

He defended his family, regardless of were the attack took place, and this is how it should be

Hypothesis.  Let's stick to the facts m'lud.

Are you serious?

This sc**bag with over 50 convictions had just terrorised your family, tied them up & threatened to kill them.

You say once they leave the house that should be the end of it and lets hope the cops catch them.

Must be a fabulous world you live in

[bingobus]

Some of the defences here ...he was in shock..adrenalin was pumping...aren't too far away from "I was so drunk Your Honour I can't remember raping the girl and had I been sober I wouldn't have done it"

Crazy comparison and not in the same league. One is an innocent girl and the other "victim" is after holding you at knifepoint with your family and robbed you in your own home.

Behave yourself.

Oh FFS you really have to take it slowly with some people...I was taking about using the defence of not being in contol to justify an action...there was no rape...

No, you've made an arse of yourself there. There is no comparison in the defence of these attacks.

Where did I say there was a rape? 

[A Quinn Martin Production]

But once he started to chase one of them down the road the threat to him, his family and property was clearly over, therefore no right to attack him with a cricket bat.

Clearly over.....doubt it
The fear, that they may have to live with, for the rest of their lives doesnt mean it was clearly over.
What if he comes back to terrorise them again?

Yer man Hussain was trying to make sure it would never happen again.

He defended his family, regardless of were the attack took place, and this is how it should be

Hypothesis.  Let's stick to the facts m'lud.

Are you serious?

This sc**bag with over 50 convictions had just terrorised your family, tied them up & threatened to kill them.

You say once they leave the house that should be the end of it and lets hope the cops catch them.

Must be a fabulous world you live in

That's called the rule of law, not the rule of the mob.

In the world in which I live I would have untied my wife and kids made sure they were physically unharned,  if necessary called a doctor/ambulance/police, tried to comfort then after a harrowing experience and began the process of trying to put our lives back together...then I might have dusted off the hurley...