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Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« Reply #8415 on: June 18, 2021, 12:42:36 PM »
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Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« Reply #8416 on: June 22, 2021, 10:39:37 AM »
Sinn Fein will get shafted by the Tories on this cant believe they are going to trust them on it and nominate a DFM
Will they? Id say itll be similar to the abortion and gay marriage issue in that the Brits stepping in allows both sides to save face.

Do you trust the Tories to keep their word?

SF looking to the UK parliament, a parliament that they don't take their seats in and that they don't recognise its authority to pass Irish Language act is next level hypocrisy.

Anyway I am glad that Stormont hasn't fallen and everyone can get on with the important work of governing this place.

It might be Ironic but I dont see how it is hypocrisy unless you think the idea of them even being in stormont is hypocrisy.

SF constantly tell us that WM doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. That other Nationalists are seeming less Irish for taking their seats. And now all of a sudden they are happy for a Parliament that they don't recognise or take their seats in to make laws for the North. That is pure hypocrisy.

The SDLP are constantly telling us that you need to take your seats in Westminster to have any influence. Yet SF have done "from the sidelines" what the SDLP have not been able to do form the green benches.

So:
Language Act deal achieved
DUP weakened
Abstentionist policy vindicated (again)
SDLP widely exposed as cynical opportunists

Not a bad few days work from those big bad shinners.

Apart from attempting to facilitate DUP intransigence on the Irish language, what else have the SDLP been doing these last few days?

Remind me why we are talking about SF v SDLP again?
SF don't compare themselves to the SDLP, but Eastwood's only mantra is a but SF. I should be an SDLP voter but I find their lack of a coherent strategy off putting. I am uncomfortable with some of SF's antics around commemorations, Storey funeral and constantly asking for a border poll. But I can't buy what the SDLP are selling either. With the exception of Mathew O'Toole and Nichola Mallon the SDLP are bereft of talent.

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Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« Reply #8417 on: June 22, 2021, 11:01:18 AM »
Sinn Fein will get shafted by the Tories on this cant believe they are going to trust them on it and nominate a DFM
Will they? Id say itll be similar to the abortion and gay marriage issue in that the Brits stepping in allows both sides to save face.

Do you trust the Tories to keep their word?

SF looking to the UK parliament, a parliament that they don't take their seats in and that they don't recognise its authority to pass Irish Language act is next level hypocrisy.

Anyway I am glad that Stormont hasn't fallen and everyone can get on with the important work of governing this place.

It might be Ironic but I dont see how it is hypocrisy unless you think the idea of them even being in stormont is hypocrisy.

SF constantly tell us that WM doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. That other Nationalists are seeming less Irish for taking their seats. And now all of a sudden they are happy for a Parliament that they don't recognise or take their seats in to make laws for the North. That is pure hypocrisy.

The SDLP are constantly telling us that you need to take your seats in Westminster to have any influence. Yet SF have done "from the sidelines" what the SDLP have not been able to do form the green benches.

So:
Language Act deal achieved
DUP weakened
Abstentionist policy vindicated (again)
SDLP widely exposed as cynical opportunists

Not a bad few days work from those big bad shinners.

Apart from attempting to facilitate DUP intransigence on the Irish language, what else have the SDLP been doing these last few days?

Remind me why we are talking about SF v SDLP again?
SF don't compare themselves to the SDLP, but Eastwood's only mantra is a but SF. I should be an SDLP voter but I find their lack of a coherent strategy off putting. I am uncomfortable with some of SF's antics around commemorations, Storey funeral and constantly asking for a border poll. But I can't buy what the SDLP are selling either. With the exception of Mathew O'Toole and Nichola Mallon the SDLP are bereft of talent.

Your views would appear to be in the minority.


Colum Eastwood Social Democratic & Labour Party
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Elisha McCallion Sinn Fin
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Majority 17110

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Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« Reply #8418 on: June 22, 2021, 12:18:21 PM »
SF 26
SDLP 12
Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit

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« Reply #8419 on: June 22, 2021, 12:21:11 PM »
SF - 224000
SDLP - 96000
Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit

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« Reply #8420 on: June 22, 2021, 12:21:53 PM »
Sinn Fein will get shafted by the Tories on this cant believe they are going to trust them on it and nominate a DFM
Will they? Id say itll be similar to the abortion and gay marriage issue in that the Brits stepping in allows both sides to save face.

Do you trust the Tories to keep their word?

SF looking to the UK parliament, a parliament that they don't take their seats in and that they don't recognise its authority to pass Irish Language act is next level hypocrisy.

Anyway I am glad that Stormont hasn't fallen and everyone can get on with the important work of governing this place.

It might be Ironic but I dont see how it is hypocrisy unless you think the idea of them even being in stormont is hypocrisy.

SF constantly tell us that WM doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. That other Nationalists are seeming less Irish for taking their seats. And now all of a sudden they are happy for a Parliament that they don't recognise or take their seats in to make laws for the North. That is pure hypocrisy.

The SDLP are constantly telling us that you need to take your seats in Westminster to have any influence. Yet SF have done "from the sidelines" what the SDLP have not been able to do form the green benches.

So:
Language Act deal achieved
DUP weakened
Abstentionist policy vindicated (again)
SDLP widely exposed as cynical opportunists

Not a bad few days work from those big bad shinners.

Apart from attempting to facilitate DUP intransigence on the Irish language, what else have the SDLP been doing these last few days?

Remind me why we are talking about SF v SDLP again?
SF don't compare themselves to the SDLP, but Eastwood's only mantra is a but SF. I should be an SDLP voter but I find their lack of a coherent strategy off putting. I am uncomfortable with some of SF's antics around commemorations, Storey funeral and constantly asking for a border poll. But I can't buy what the SDLP are selling either. With the exception of Mathew O'Toole and Nichola Mallon the SDLP are bereft of talent.

What do you make of Hanna? I wouldn't be dissimilar from your views here either. I am not a SF fan but there is nowhere near enough about them for me either. I really don't think Eastwood is a good leader.

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Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« Reply #8421 on: June 22, 2021, 12:41:42 PM »
Sinn Fein will get shafted by the Tories on this cant believe they are going to trust them on it and nominate a DFM
Will they? Id say itll be similar to the abortion and gay marriage issue in that the Brits stepping in allows both sides to save face.

Do you trust the Tories to keep their word?

SF looking to the UK parliament, a parliament that they don't take their seats in and that they don't recognise its authority to pass Irish Language act is next level hypocrisy.

Anyway I am glad that Stormont hasn't fallen and everyone can get on with the important work of governing this place.

It might be Ironic but I dont see how it is hypocrisy unless you think the idea of them even being in stormont is hypocrisy.

SF constantly tell us that WM doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. That other Nationalists are seeming less Irish for taking their seats. And now all of a sudden they are happy for a Parliament that they don't recognise or take their seats in to make laws for the North. That is pure hypocrisy.

The SDLP are constantly telling us that you need to take your seats in Westminster to have any influence. Yet SF have done "from the sidelines" what the SDLP have not been able to do form the green benches.

So:
Language Act deal achieved
DUP weakened
Abstentionist policy vindicated (again)
SDLP widely exposed as cynical opportunists

Not a bad few days work from those big bad shinners.

Apart from attempting to facilitate DUP intransigence on the Irish language, what else have the SDLP been doing these last few days?

Remind me why we are talking about SF v SDLP again?
SF don't compare themselves to the SDLP, but Eastwood's only mantra is a but SF. I should be an SDLP voter but I find their lack of a coherent strategy off putting. I am uncomfortable with some of SF's antics around commemorations, Storey funeral and constantly asking for a border poll. But I can't buy what the SDLP are selling either. With the exception of Mathew O'Toole and Nichola Mallon the SDLP are bereft of talent.

What do you make of Hanna? I wouldn't be dissimilar from your views here either. I am not a SF fan but there is nowhere near enough about them for me either. I really don't think Eastwood is a good leader.

O'Toole is the leader in waiting but needs to serve a bit more time in the party first. He seems clued in.

Hanna has her moments but then goes and does something wild like "resigning" from the SDLP Assembly grouping and cosying up to FG members after Colum agrees some sort of thing or other with FF which no one really can make head nor tail of..

Colum is too busy chasing sound bites and other nonsense.


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« Reply #8422 on: June 22, 2021, 12:47:18 PM »
Tbh he's full of shite.

You could be right on Hanna. Yet to make my mind up. I do like Mallon and hear nothing but good things on O'Toole. I would love the SDLP to be strong but they're just not.

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« Reply #8423 on: June 22, 2021, 01:14:02 PM »
Tbh he's full of shite.

You could be right on Hanna. Yet to make my mind up. I do like Mallon and hear nothing but good things on O'Toole. I would love the SDLP to be strong but they're just not.

Which is even more scandalous when you look at sinn fein North of the border, Gildernew be only one that impresses me. The rest voted in on party ticket

Finucane has been an anti climax

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« Reply #8424 on: June 22, 2021, 04:12:23 PM »
Sinn Fein will get shafted by the Tories on this cant believe they are going to trust them on it and nominate a DFM
Will they? Id say itll be similar to the abortion and gay marriage issue in that the Brits stepping in allows both sides to save face.

Do you trust the Tories to keep their word?

SF looking to the UK parliament, a parliament that they don't take their seats in and that they don't recognise its authority to pass Irish Language act is next level hypocrisy.

Anyway I am glad that Stormont hasn't fallen and everyone can get on with the important work of governing this place.

It might be Ironic but I dont see how it is hypocrisy unless you think the idea of them even being in stormont is hypocrisy.

SF constantly tell us that WM doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. That other Nationalists are seeming less Irish for taking their seats. And now all of a sudden they are happy for a Parliament that they don't recognise or take their seats in to make laws for the North. That is pure hypocrisy.

The SDLP are constantly telling us that you need to take your seats in Westminster to have any influence. Yet SF have done "from the sidelines" what the SDLP have not been able to do form the green benches.

So:
Language Act deal achieved
DUP weakened
Abstentionist policy vindicated (again)
SDLP widely exposed as cynical opportunists

Not a bad few days work from those big bad shinners.

Apart from attempting to facilitate DUP intransigence on the Irish language, what else have the SDLP been doing these last few days?

Remind me why we are talking about SF v SDLP again?
SF don't compare themselves to the SDLP, but Eastwood's only mantra is a but SF. I should be an SDLP voter but I find their lack of a coherent strategy off putting. I am uncomfortable with some of SF's antics around commemorations, Storey funeral and constantly asking for a border poll. But I can't buy what the SDLP are selling either. With the exception of Mathew O'Toole and Nichola Mallon the SDLP are bereft of talent.

Your views would appear to be in the minority.


Colum Eastwood Social Democratic & Labour Party
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Elisha McCallion Sinn Fin
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Majority 17110
For fcuks sake I would get more votes than McCallion. Look at SF's votes in the round.

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Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« Reply #8425 on: June 22, 2021, 04:14:05 PM »
Sinn Fein will get shafted by the Tories on this cant believe they are going to trust them on it and nominate a DFM
Will they? Id say itll be similar to the abortion and gay marriage issue in that the Brits stepping in allows both sides to save face.

Do you trust the Tories to keep their word?

SF looking to the UK parliament, a parliament that they don't take their seats in and that they don't recognise its authority to pass Irish Language act is next level hypocrisy.

Anyway I am glad that Stormont hasn't fallen and everyone can get on with the important work of governing this place.

It might be Ironic but I dont see how it is hypocrisy unless you think the idea of them even being in stormont is hypocrisy.

SF constantly tell us that WM doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. That other Nationalists are seeming less Irish for taking their seats. And now all of a sudden they are happy for a Parliament that they don't recognise or take their seats in to make laws for the North. That is pure hypocrisy.

The SDLP are constantly telling us that you need to take your seats in Westminster to have any influence. Yet SF have done "from the sidelines" what the SDLP have not been able to do form the green benches.

So:
Language Act deal achieved
DUP weakened
Abstentionist policy vindicated (again)
SDLP widely exposed as cynical opportunists

Not a bad few days work from those big bad shinners.

Apart from attempting to facilitate DUP intransigence on the Irish language, what else have the SDLP been doing these last few days?

Remind me why we are talking about SF v SDLP again?
SF don't compare themselves to the SDLP, but Eastwood's only mantra is a but SF. I should be an SDLP voter but I find their lack of a coherent strategy off putting. I am uncomfortable with some of SF's antics around commemorations, Storey funeral and constantly asking for a border poll. But I can't buy what the SDLP are selling either. With the exception of Mathew O'Toole and Nichola Mallon the SDLP are bereft of talent.

What do you make of Hanna? I wouldn't be dissimilar from your views here either. I am not a SF fan but there is nowhere near enough about them for me either. I really don't think Eastwood is a good leader.
At the start I thought Hanna was a breath of fresh air, but she got her ass handed to her on Nolan a couple of times over Brexit and floundered, so not sure.

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« Reply #8426 on: June 22, 2021, 04:17:16 PM »
Tbh he's full of shite.

You could be right on Hanna. Yet to make my mind up. I do like Mallon and hear nothing but good things on O'Toole. I would love the SDLP to be strong but they're just not.

Which is even more scandalous when you look at sinn fein North of the border, Gildernew be only one that impresses me. The rest voted in on party ticket

Finucane has been an anti climax
I don't agree, I have had dealings with John O'Dowd, Conor Murphy and a few others, SF have a bit of depth and work hard locally. I have been frustrated with some SDLP MLA's when seeking assistance.

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« Reply #8427 on: June 22, 2021, 04:19:37 PM »
See SF South want to reduce Pension Age to 65 did they not vote to raise it here to 66 some time ago.

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« Reply #8428 on: June 22, 2021, 05:16:07 PM »
Tbh he's full of shite.

You could be right on Hanna. Yet to make my mind up. I do like Mallon and hear nothing but good things on O'Toole. I would love the SDLP to be strong but they're just not.

Which is even more scandalous when you look at sinn fein North of the border, Gildernew be only one that impresses me. The rest voted in on party ticket

Finucane has been an anti climax
I don't agree, I have had dealings with John O'Dowd, Conor Murphy and a few others, SF have a bit of depth and work hard locally. I have been frustrated with some SDLP MLA's when seeking assistance.

Aye forgot about o dowd.hes good

Murphy was a disaster during procurement process at start of Covid and would be ate alive south of the border and carries too much baggage .

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« Reply #8429 on: June 22, 2021, 05:18:59 PM »
See SF South want to reduce Pension Age to 65 did they not vote to raise it here to 66 some time ago.

Their manifesto for last general election proposed a massive overhaul to the existing pensions setup. They want to do away with the existing tax incentives, with the argument being that they mostly benefit those who are already the wealthiest. I'm sure that is true, as it makes sense that those with more disposable income will be able to put more aside. But acting like there is no impeding pensions cliff coming is dangerous in the extreme. In 30 years time more than 50% of the population will be over 65