Twelve soldiers shot dead at US Army Base

[mountainboii]

Putting aside your quasi-racism for a minute, has any evidence emerged that this man was a Taliban operative? It would be prudent to wait for the whole story before jumping to baseless assumptions.

WTF are you on about? He was a muslim in the US military who went on the rampage. I am in pretty blunt form tonight, but I wouldn't term it quasi racism. If you were going off to fight in the US military and you got to choose who would be in your unit in Afghanistan you wouldn't be choosing Muhammad Hassan to fight along side you. If evidence comes out that the gun went off accidentally
or something well then I will be embarassed.

Jesus Christ man this sort of shit happens all the time in the states, extreme alienation coupled with possible bullying added to the stress of possible deployment to a warzone could really mess someone up. See columbine or the fella that killed all those students last year in n Carolina (i think) to see what severe psychological stress can do!

I think soldiers have deteriorated mentally and done things like this after they have returned from war zones. The guy was an army psychiatrist, he would have been hanging around psychiatric staff all the time who might well have noticed his mental deteriroation and done something about it. the way this thing is going is there were 3 shooters,  it does look like some muslim extremist plot. I did say "it looks like" as opposed to "it was" which means i will avoid any embarassment when it turns out he was just out shooting crows or something.

There was only one shooter. Stop digging before you make an even bigger tit out of yourself.

[J70]

The stock response of gun rights fanatics to this type of massacre is "if only someone in the place had a weapon on them they could have taken care of the shooter and saved lives!" This guy killed twelve and shot another thirty on a bloody army base!

[J70]

A recent convert to islam and an army psychiatrist. You know maybe is it just me but I think that is a pretty dangerous combination, a recent convert to islam and a  us army doctor all rolled into one. Honestly could they not just have told him to **** off before all this happened.

You think they should sack soldiers of a particular religion?

Yes

I mean I don't think the taleban are recruitng christians from Texas to fight with them. If a memeber of the taleban converted to christianity  and started watching NFL and listening to Garth Brooks he wouldn't last long. Should the same not apply with the US army? Seriously though you have to be realistic and cut through all the equal rights  stuff when you are fighting a war against religious extremists of a certain religion, that is pretty straight forward is it not?

Pat ,it's not about being PC or equal rights. It's about the bill of rights and the first ammendment to the constitution.To discriminate on the grounds of religion would be unconstitutional and therefore would make the military a laughing stock in their own country.

Elements of the US military have been pushing the envelope in recent years in terms of christian evangelicism. I am sure there are plenty of individual servicemen and officers who would have a dim view of a muslim convert, but, as you say, there is no possible way that the military could close their ranks to someone based solely on their religious affiliation. If an individual showed signs of dangerous radicalization, I'm sure that would be a different matter.

[Aerlik]

The war is being fought against terrorists i.e. Al quieda/Taliban (with the added bonus of oil etc. Thrown into the bargain)

OG, I hate to shatter the myth, but the reality of the situation is that the terrorism is being conducted by the so-called Coalition of the willing (and those who have been bullied into joining) with the fictitious excuse of Al-Qa'eda/Taliban being used as a cover.  See my earlier posting re. Iran/Russia/China. 

Capt. Pat, using your logic, Frank McKenna would not have been allowed to lead the hunt for the nazis who killed the Great Escapers in blatant breach of UN POW regulations.  Your assertion is insulting.  It's the Catholics-are-babyeaters - type shite some of us grew up with.

[nifan]

Should the same not apply with the US army?

Your suggesting the americans should try and follow the talebans lead on things?

[Minder]

"Ha Ha Derry" will be going to the hole for a week or two I would say.

[LeoMc]

Captain Pat's logic.

Re: Twelve Two soldiers shot dead at US Antrim Army Base

Muslim Catholic = Taleban IRA. That is correct.

Well they are fighting a religious war against extremists. It would not be extreme to do that. It would be realistic. I should refine it and say recent converts to a certain religion are different ot people brought into a religion. I am not being extremist or anti islam Catholic just realistic. If I was fighting a war against the taleban RIRA I would not have any muslims Catholics on board with me. Have I said something wrong there? I don't think so. I know it is against some discrimination laws but you have to be realistic about what you are doing. I might have muslim Catholic spies or double agents that would be correct for the situation.

[Donagh]

A recent convert to islam and an army psychiatrist. You know maybe is it just me but I think that is a pretty dangerous combination, a recent convert to islam and a  us army doctor all rolled into one. Honestly could they not just have told him to **** off before all this happened.

Or maybe some knuckledragging bigot marines couldn't tell the difference between a mans religion and his nationality and decided to give him a bit of abuse -- so the man decided it was payback time.

So naturally he goes and slaughters twelve men, I would say thats an appropriate response. Muppet!

Would you like to clarify what you are getting at here?

[Denn Forever]

He was a psychologist. 

Colombine?

No reason for this and the trial should hopefully bring out what caused this all.

[ardmhachaabu]

ha ha derry, I hope you get banned permanently for that comment. 

[Sandino]

The reality of the situation is that the people who attacked london were home grown, and the guys on 11/9 were not from Iraq, Iran or Afghanistan. No these wars are not about attacking those who attacked london or new york

[Capt Pat]

Captain Pat's logic.

Re: Twelve Two soldiers shot dead at US Antrim Army Base

Muslim Catholic = Taleban IRA. That is correct.

Well they are fighting a religious war against extremists. It would not be extreme to do that. It would be realistic. I should refine it and say recent converts to a certain religion are different ot people brought into a religion. I am not being extremist or anti islam Catholic just realistic. If I was fighting a war against the taleban RIRA I would not have any muslims Catholics on board with me. Have I said something wrong there? I don't think so. I know it is against some discrimination laws but you have to be realistic about what you are doing. I might have muslim Catholic spies or double agents that would be correct for the situation.

That is not the first time someone has taken something I said and changed it to make me look bad. I don't see how it has any rlelevance to what I said. I can't respond to that I wasn't talking about that. You have drawn some interesting comparisons but that is nice for the debating chambers in college, but it won't bring back the 13 dead US soldiers who had an obvious candidate for a double agent take them out from behind.

[Doogie Browser]

Its been a crazy week for the military, the 5 brits killed by the Afghan soldier was shocking too, the fact they were training him shows how exposed they are out there.  But Brown has the blinkers on, more and more body bags will be the only thing that will happen here, everyone can see it.

[Gnevin]

Its been a crazy week for the military, the 5 brits killed by the Afghan soldier was shocking too, the fact they were training him shows how exposed they are out there.  But Brown has the blinkers on, more and more body bags will be the only thing that will happen here, everyone can see it.

Not sure of the link between the 2 incidents

[Sandino]

Some were killed while at a war some were waiting to go to war, all were soldiers, to me thats a link. Don't think DB implied any more that that as a link.