The death penalty. Yes or no?

[haranguerer]

No 2 is just waffle. Someone breaks into your house to kill your family is it wrong to kill them in self defense. Is it wrong to kill the aggressor  that invades your country. There are times that it is neccessary to take a life and I believe that any one of us would do it if put in particular circumstances.

State execution is neither of those things.

I wasnt saying it was. I was making the case that people who say in a black and white way "its wrong to kill another person no matter what" are full of shit. In certain circumstances it is necessary and I just gave a couple of examples. If you can accept there are some times that it is necessary then perhaps you can begin to accept that a man who rapes and murders an 11 month old baby is a danger to society, a financial drain on society, will never be rehabilitated and will never contribute to society. Execution is perfectly reasonable in this case.

You should look into it more. It costs much more to execute a prisoner than life in prison.

Do you really believe it costs more to execute someone than pay for their keep for 30 years. Think about it! The only possible reason for any such statistic is the fact that people are kept on death row for years on appeals and further appeals - i.e. an inefficient system for carrying out the execution.

So you'd deny them the appeals? Its reassuring that we're on opposite sides of this argument.

No, but appeals would be heard quickly and not straggle on and on until an election comes up like what happens in the US. So you accept that it is not more expensive then?

What? Can you read? And subsequently process what you have read? If so, could you explain that leap for me?

[haranguerer]

As I said, I have no sympathy for this fella if he committed the crime. But having no sympathy for him is not the same as advocating a penalty which may be inhumane, and is certainly responsible for innocent people being executed.

What about the guy in London with the cleaver hacking of a guys head on the street in the name of some God. There is no doubt in that case that he is guilty, would you be against the death penalty for him?

What about the guy in London sending in the jets and killing innocent 'collateral damage' afghans?

What about, what about, what about........

Em...

The guy in London is an example of how you can be 100% sure a person committed a crime. Bringing Tony Blair into it is a whole other story, I'm sure there is a thread somewhere with 100 pages on it.

Try to think for yourself for a minute. I'm being serious here - just try to forget about what the papers say, what governments say, etc. Forget about law even (these are all things that are set by people with an agenda, we have to realise that sometimes that agenda may not be that honourable), and try to think in terms of justice, and what seems fair.

You chose this e.g., so I'll comment on it. Why is that one soldiers life in England worth more than one life in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or wherever else?

Its a complicated subject, and there are no quick and easy answers; but I know I'd be a lot less comfortable if we were executing people according to an agenda which is morally very dubious.

[Denn Forever]

Two hours to die. 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28444667

[AZOffaly]

Florence is an eerie place. I drove past it a few times over there, and you know it's death row in there. Spooky.

As regards this, there are those who suggest that the initial sedative/paralysis drug actually impedes the prisoner from demonstrating pain, so Jan Brewer's comments are potentially facetious.

[EC Unique]

Two hours to die. 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28444667

Some would say not long enough!

[stew]

I have done a one eighty on this issue, since you cannot ever be certain with 100 percent accuracy that every convicted prisoner is guilty as charged you cannot justify making one single mistake. Tax dollars are not worth the life of a innocent person!

[give her dixie]

I have done a one eighty on this issue, since you cannot ever be certain with 100 percent accuracy that every convicted prisoner is guilty as charged you cannot justify making one single mistake. Tax dollars are not worth the life of a innocent person!

Stew, I got to hand it to you. You are not afraid to look at opinion and facts and re evaluate your position on things.

Fair play.

[Hardy]

I have done a one eighty on this issue, since you cannot ever be certain with 100 percent accuracy that every convicted prisoner is guilty as charged you cannot justify making one single mistake. Tax dollars are not worth the life of a innocent person!

Stew, I got to hand it to you. You are not afraid to look at opinion and facts and re evaluate your position on things.

Fair play.

Indeed. It's rare and refreshing.

[brokencrossbar1]

I have done a one eighty on this issue, since you cannot ever be certain with 100 percent accuracy that every convicted prisoner is guilty as charged you cannot justify making one single mistake. Tax dollars are not worth the life of a innocent person!

Stew, I got to hand it to you. You are not afraid to look at opinion and facts and re evaluate your position on things.

Fair play.

Indeed. It's rare and refreshing.

I would even go as far to say unprecedented rather than rare!!!

[Wildweasel74]

too big a chance of someone possible not guilty but convicted getting the chop, in recent history, cases like the guildford 4 could have ended very badly. but i am for hard time not the Holiday camp johnny Adair and co had in their time in jail

[Oraisteach]

Good man, Stew.  All you need now is to switch to the Ogs, though you'd probably see that as a death penalty, but since you now oppose death penalties, maybe now you'd be game for it.

[stew]

Good man, Stew.  All you need now is to switch to the Ogs, though you'd probably see that as a death penalty, but since you now oppose death penalties, maybe now you'd be game for it.

I would stick the needle  in Me own arm orais, before I would join the ogs! Made me laugh that.

[mylestheslasher]

This guy ended the life of his girlfriend and her father by shooting them dead in broad daylight and then turned his gun on police who shot him but obviously not fatally. Seems to me this could be karma at work, maybe 4 hours of pain would have been more suitable.

[Ulick]

It's just as wrong to take the life of those who have murdered as those who are innocent. Objecting to the death penalty because of the possibility of a "miscarriage" is a cop-out.

[Eamonnca1]

Capital punishment is on its way out in America.

http://www.forasach.ie/2014/07/25/end-in-sight-for-death-penalty/