The Poppy

[delboy]

It never ceases to amaze me how northern unionists think it's worthwhile telling all and sundry how wrong they are, the extension of that is that they are the only people with the proper perspective on everything.   

Of course, everyone's wrong only them. 

MW and delboy's posts aren't worth responding too, head in sand and just making stuff up. Making stuff up seems to come naturally to these boys, ask them about the start of the troubles till we have a laugh.

My only feelings for the unionist community is pity, half of them don't seem to be right in the head, filled with hatred and bitterness when it should be the nationalist community that feel like that, all things considered.  and they spend most of the time trying to be more English than the English! 

Myself and MW have highlighted your prejudice and bigotry, what do you come back with more crass sectarian remarks about the unionist population, put simply you are a bigot.

[pintsofguinness]

It never ceases to amaze me how northern unionists think it's worthwhile telling all and sundry how wrong they are, the extension of that is that they are the only people with the proper perspective on everything.   

Of course, everyone's wrong only them. 

MW and delboy's posts aren't worth responding too, head in sand and just making stuff up. Making stuff up seems to come naturally to these boys, ask them about the start of the troubles till we have a laugh.

My only feelings for the unionist community is pity, half of them don't seem to be right in the head, filled with hatred and bitterness when it should be the nationalist community that feel like that, all things considered.  and they spend most of the time trying to be more English than the English! 

Myself and MW have highlighted your prejudice and bigotry, what do you come back with more crass sectarian remarks about the unionist population, put simply you are a bigot.

What have I said that's untrue?

[delboy]

It never ceases to amaze me how northern unionists think it's worthwhile telling all and sundry how wrong they are, the extension of that is that they are the only people with the proper perspective on everything.   

Of course, everyone's wrong only them. 

MW and delboy's posts aren't worth responding too, head in sand and just making stuff up. Making stuff up seems to come naturally to these boys, ask them about the start of the troubles till we have a laugh.

My only feelings for the unionist community is pity, half of them don't seem to be right in the head, filled with hatred and bitterness when it should be the nationalist community that feel like that, all things considered.  and they spend most of the time trying to be more English than the English! 

Myself and MW have highlighted your prejudice and bigotry, what do you come back with more crass sectarian remarks about the unionist population, put simply you are a bigot.

What have I said that's untrue?

Well for a start you've said that half of the population have mental health problems. My advice to you would be to grow up a bit and stop making ridiculous bigoted comments about people.

[pintsofguinness]

It never ceases to amaze me how northern unionists think it's worthwhile telling all and sundry how wrong they are, the extension of that is that they are the only people with the proper perspective on everything.   

Of course, everyone's wrong only them. 

MW and delboy's posts aren't worth responding too, head in sand and just making stuff up. Making stuff up seems to come naturally to these boys, ask them about the start of the troubles till we have a laugh.

My only feelings for the unionist community is pity, half of them don't seem to be right in the head, filled with hatred and bitterness when it should be the nationalist community that feel like that, all things considered.  and they spend most of the time trying to be more English than the English! 

Myself and MW have highlighted your prejudice and bigotry, what do you come back with more crass sectarian remarks about the unionist population, put simply you are a bigot.

What have I said that's untrue?

Well for a start you've said that half of the population have mental health problems. My advice to you would be to grow up a bit and stop making ridiculous bigoted comments about people.

Well you have to have mental health problems to be so deluded and to vote for the DUP!

[redhugh]

Why the need to use Latin? Do certain people think it makes them or their arguements sound better or more intelligent? Just curious.

Now can someone tell me why "some people" feel the need to take poppy wearing into their cars? Poppies on wind screens for in some cases 12 months of the year, does this also happen in Britain?
And the best one I have seen was in Ballygawley on Friday afternoon, not one but two different cars (one a Merc no less) had gone a step further and put poppies on their headlights! wtf. Rub it up ye maybe?

GDA - can only answer for myself here.My use of Latin was a reference to a Wilfred Owen poem about WW1 and the futility of war called Dulce et decorum est.
Why do you feel the need for inverted commas when using the phrase " some people"?

[lynchbhoy]

Delboy

POG i'll tell you how i see it, you have lived at one time in NI and have observed poppy wearing you now happen to live in a rural english town and based upon what you have seen you've made an observation that not as many people wear the poppy in that town. This has lead you to have an opinion that poppy wearing in NI is proportionally higher (i don't know where you stand on the badge of bitterness stuff and if you hold they same view as LB that poppy wearers are vile odious bigotted people, thats for another post).

I do leave that town now and again! and my experience is similar anywhere I've been in England.  Other posters bases here have expressed the same opinion as mine so when are you going to accept our opinions are accurate?

Im not, unless you provide some evidence to back it up, its an opinion, that some people share the same opinion (lets face it your playing with a loaded deck on this forum)  doesn't make it right, its a discussion not just a popularity contest, x y and z agree with me therfore im right, thats the stuff of the playground that stuff doesn't fly in the real world.
If you want to engage and discuss things in a grown up fashion then you have to use the conventions of debate and arguement. Or you can instead go back to the banality of bun fighting that most of the threads descend into.

Take for example lynchboys assertion that it would be impossible to provide evidence that halloween was becoming a larger thing from a commercial sense, i took up his laughable challenge and provided credible third party evidence that the monetary spend on halloween has increased twenty fold in a decade, point won (unless of course he chooses to refute the evidence with another credible source which he is entitled to do).

If instead i'd stamped my foot and said that its bigger because i think it is then LB could rightly have claimed the victory that i couldn't prove it.
If you take the time to re-read my posts i don't even say that your opinion is wrong merely that without evidnence to back it up it just an opinion no better or worse than anyone elses (maybe not good for your ego but thats the way it is).

you have proven nothing apart from the increased spend - which is exactly the same as the poppy sitiation
an increased spend, but please show me where the quantifiable evidence is that shows that halloween stuff is displayed more ?

- you cannot as although we know it is displayed, this evidence is not there.

like the poppy situation....we know that a certain amount of money is spent on buying poppies
but you cannot prove how many are worn or displayed other than from VISUAL evidence - like halloween !
so you have half proven my point for me at least with your stats on the spend increasing!

otherwise its back to the same argument and opening suggestin that many have put the whole way through this thread and has still not been countered with any answer
proportionally less people wear the poppy in the likes of England than in the north of Ireland.
why ? - because of the 'badge wearing' mentality !! Kind of obvious I would have thought  - even to the remedial ooo types !
QED !

[delboy]

You talk a load of old crap, so people buy halloween stuff (20 fold increase in a decade) and then throw it in the bin as some sort of conspiracy to stick two fingers up to the statisticians. If you can take a positive from that for what passes as your argument then you have a better imagination than me.
If you can set those goal posts down for just a second though perhaps you could accurately define what exactly it is that you believe about halloween being bigger that can't be proved (again not that its my job, but im indulging you lets say).

If on the other hand you want to get into a debate about evidence and popperism etc, go for it (i do it for a living) but as you didn't even understand the concept of falsifiability, i fear it would be a waste of (my) time.

I'll let you get back to your self delusional point scoring.

[saffron sam2]

Two observations.

When I worked in east Belfast over 80% of my work colleagues wore poppies.

Now that I am back in the west, I saw no poppies at work this year.

I am drawing no conclusions from either observation.

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

Why the need to use Latin? Do certain people think it makes them or their arguements sound better or more intelligent? Just curious.

Now can someone tell me why "some people" feel the need to take poppy wearing into their cars? Poppies on wind screens for in some cases 12 months of the year, does this also happen in Britain?
And the best one I have seen was in Ballygawley on Friday afternoon, not one but two different cars (one a Merc no less) had gone a step further and put poppies on their headlights! wtf. Rub it up ye maybe?

GDA - can only answer for myself here.My use of Latin was a reference to a Wilfred Owen poem about WW1 and the futility of war called Dulce et decorum est.
Why do you feel the need for inverted commas when using the phrase " some people"?

It is instead of saying Protestants/Unionists, would have thought that was kinda obvious.
Wasn't really getting at any one person, although EG gets an honerable mention as he feels the need to use it on a regular basis, as for you, that's a fair reason.

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

Yet another double post 

What?

[delboy]

Yet another double post 

What?

Nothing to do with your preceding post, the last few times i've tried to modify an earlier post its converted it into a new post, must have been a temporary glitch (jJust been pointed out to me that i could delete them).

[MW]

Of course, everyone's wrong only them. 

MW and delboy's posts aren't worth responding too, head in sand and just making stuff up. Making stuff up seems to come naturally to these boys, ask them about the start of the troubles till we have a laugh.

My only feelings for the unionist community is pity, half of them don't seem to be right in the head, filled with hatred and bitterness when it should be the nationalist community that feel like that, all things considered.  and they spend most of the time trying to be more English than the English! 

Yet more of your prejudiced bile against the unionist community.

It must be horrible being consumed in your own bigotry, as you are, and imagining only malevolence in an entire population of people.

You haven't managed to state what I'm supposed to be lying about, by the way - or what you think the unionist community "really is".

I think your're a bigoted headcase with some serious problems with hatred. However, I can see you as an individual - whereas you're continually linking something an individual has said (even as innocuous a "crime" as sharing a simple observation, a la myself and delboy) as an excuse to spew your loony hatreds about the unionist community. You're incapable of seeing "themmuns" as individuals, and one is always simply a representative of the whole - which I've always seen as a pretty clear indicator of a serious bigot (c.f. an antisemite talking about "the Jew"...)

[MW]

It never ceases to amaze me how northern unionists think it's worthwhile telling all and sundry how wrong they are, the extension of that is that they are the only people with the proper perspective on everything.   

Of course, everyone's wrong only them. 

MW and delboy's posts aren't worth responding too, head in sand and just making stuff up. Making stuff up seems to come naturally to these boys, ask them about the start of the troubles till we have a laugh.

My only feelings for the unionist community is pity, half of them don't seem to be right in the head, filled with hatred and bitterness when it should be the nationalist community that feel like that, all things considered.  and they spend most of the time trying to be more English than the English! 

Myself and MW have highlighted your prejudice and bigotry, what do you come back with more crass sectarian remarks about the unionist population, put simply you are a bigot.

What have I said that's untrue?

The "lying" accusation for one...

It never ceases to amaze me how northern unionists think it's worthwhile telling all and sundry how wrong they are, the extension of that is that they are the only people with the proper perspective on everything.   

Of course, everyone's wrong only them. 

MW and delboy's posts aren't worth responding too, head in sand and just making stuff up. Making stuff up seems to come naturally to these boys, ask them about the start of the troubles till we have a laugh.

My only feelings for the unionist community is pity, half of them don't seem to be right in the head, filled with hatred and bitterness when it should be the nationalist community that feel like that, all things considered.  and they spend most of the time trying to be more English than the English! 

Myself and MW have highlighted your prejudice and bigotry, what do you come back with more crass sectarian remarks about the unionist population, put simply you are a bigot.

What have I said that's untrue?

Well for a start you've said that half of the population have mental health problems. My advice to you would be to grow up a bit and stop making ridiculous bigoted comments about people.

Wishful thinking, delboy. He's the one with the problem - more than a little unhinged in his hatred. You may as well ask a scorpion to play nice and stop stinging things.

Just be thankful you don't have such a worldview because such a world of the mind must be a terrible place.

[dillinger]

I was in Bangor to-day, 24th nov and i seen a woman still wearing a poppy on her coat. This could start a new thread ie, late/ early christmas trees etc.I would have said to her but she was with a group of other women.

[Aerlik]

Probably just another bout of Loyalist/Unionist amnesia, well-known in that part of Ireland.