The Poppy

[A Quinn Martin Production]

We often hear about the poppy being a symbol of remembrance of those who gave their lives so that we might be free...I suppose this includes free to wear the poppy...or not?

[Gnevin]

i find it a feck you badge rather than a mark of respect  to  someone who died in ww1 or ww2.

Have you ever had a conversation with a Poppy wearer to ask why they do so? I daresay that some wear it as a badge of identity, even as a "feck you badge".

However, imo that sort of prejudice is no different from that which you display, when you see a Poppy and automatically condemn the wearer, without knowing a damned thing about him/her.

What some would consider a "feck you badge"

Btw Gnevin would appreciate it if you didn't try and link the logo of a sporting organisation with a symbol of war.

I did no such thing . I just posted an example of how some logo's and symbols can have different meanings to 2 different sets of people .

You linked both together in your example, and the only inference that can be drawn is that the wearing of a GAA top is the equivalent to wearing the poppy, as EG gladly took in the following post!

No I said a inference that could be drawn by some was the GAA logo was a " feck you badge".
I never compared the GAA logo and the Poppy . Your totally missing the point

[Jim_Murphy_74]

The first topic on Vincent Brown lastnight was 'Should we wear a Poppy?'

The fact that it is a hot topic of discussion is a sign of how the Brits still have a hold on the mindset of Irish people.

Stick your Poppy up your ass!

Actually it was about the appropriateness of holding a Remembrance Day service. Vincenzo was very agitated as to whether the President should officially attend such as service.  He got in an awful lather about the pointless of WW1 (compare to "heroic wars" although he didn't tell us which wars were "heroic").

The old codger wearing the poppy came out well I thought, he made the point that the service was to commemorate the Irish men that died in Wars, not to commemorate the war or validate the reasons for the war.   Whatever you think about the Brits, WW1 or poppies surely a service to remember the souls of so many fellow country men is appropriate?

/Jim.

[Zapatista]

Actually it was about the appropriateness of holding a Remembrance Day service. Vincenzo was very agitated as to whether the President should officially attend such as service.  He got in an awful lather about the pointless of WW1 (compare to "heroic wars" although he didn't tell us which wars were "heroic").

The old codger wearing the poppy came out well I thought, he made the point that the service was to commemorate the Irish men that died in Wars, not to commemorate the war or validate the reasons for the war.   Whatever you think about the Brits, WW1 or poppies surely a service to remember the souls of so many fellow country men is appropriate?
/Jim.

You can not separate the two. Attempts to do so are false. You can't remember the dead without remembering why they died. The revisionism is sickening. Can those responsible for 911 remember their dead as brave men while ignoring the reason they died?


BTW I think the war of independence was a heroic war. The result mightn't have been heroic but the war was.

[Jim_Murphy_74]

You can not separate the two. Attempts to do so are false. You can't remember the dead without remembering why they died. The revisionism is sickening. Can those responsible for 911 remember their dead as brave men while ignoring the reason they died?

I think there is a lot of revisionism going on by judging the War by the standards of today.

The comments by the lad on the right of the panel (Pat something?) about Redmond's appalling (his words) belief in blood sacrifice (a point he failed to back up) while praising 1916 men was odd given that Pearse himself had views in cleansing power of blood sacrifice.

It was an appalling sacrifice of men of this nation (regardless of how things turned out after) and it is appropriate to remember these men rather than celebrate the war.  Either way for all it's failings I don't see WW1 as equivalent to 911. 

/Jim.

[Zapatista]

There is very little difference in todays standard for war than the standard at the start of the last century. The only difference now is an Irishmans position in the global society. Rather than be at the bottom of the pecking order we are a little futher up the rank.

Don't misrepresent what I'm saying. I was comparing the act of remembering the dead not acts of war.

[thejuice]

What do the French do to honour the war dead.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

What do the French do to honour the war dead.

Conduct themselves with a little grace and dignity 

[lynchbhoy]

i find it a feck you badge rather than a mark of respect  to  someone who died in ww1 or ww2.

Have you ever had a conversation with a Poppy wearer to ask why they do so? I daresay that some wear it as a badge of identity, even as a "feck you badge".

However, imo that sort of prejudice is no different from that which you display, when you see a Poppy and automatically condemn the wearer, without knowing a damned thing about him/her.

What some would consider a "feck you badge"

Btw Gnevin would appreciate it if you didn't try and link the logo of a sporting organisation with a symbol of war.

I did no such thing . I just posted an example of how some logo's and symbols can have different meanings to 2 different sets of people .

You linked both together in your example, and the only inference that can be drawn is that the wearing of a GAA top is the equivalent to wearing the poppy, as EG gladly took in the following post!

No I said a inference that could be drawn by some was the GAA logo was a " feck you badge".
I never compared the GAA logo and the Poppy . Your totally missing the point

is the FAI , IRFU, RFU, English FA, English Premier league, American NFL, American NBA logos all 'feck you ' badges  or taken by 'some' as so ..?


of course not FFS !!

[Gnevin]

i find it a feck you badge rather than a mark of respect  to  someone who died in ww1 or ww2.

Have you ever had a conversation with a Poppy wearer to ask why they do so? I daresay that some wear it as a badge of identity, even as a "feck you badge".

However, imo that sort of prejudice is no different from that which you display, when you see a Poppy and automatically condemn the wearer, without knowing a damned thing about him/her.

What some would consider a "feck you badge"

Btw Gnevin would appreciate it if you didn't try and link the logo of a sporting organisation with a symbol of war.

I did no such thing . I just posted an example of how some logo's and symbols can have different meanings to 2 different sets of people .

You linked both together in your example, and the only inference that can be drawn is that the wearing of a GAA top is the equivalent to wearing the poppy, as EG gladly took in the following post!

No I said a inference that could be drawn by some was the GAA logo was a " feck you badge".
I never compared the GAA logo and the Poppy . Your totally missing the point

is the FAI , IRFU, RFU, English FA, English Premier league, American NFL, American NBA logos all 'feck you ' badges  or taken by 'some' as so ..?


of course not FFS !!

Too some the English FA badge is. As are the others listed . It all depends on the context and the motivation of the person wearing it .  Wearing a Rugby jersey to a FAI event is a bit of a feck you to the FAI from my point of view.

I know a guy who likes to ware a Munster tie as a feck you badge to his Leinster fan boss .

[Jim_Murphy_74]

There is very little difference in todays standard for war than the standard at the start of the last century. The only difference now is an Irishmans position in the global society. Rather than be at the bottom of the pecking order we are a little futher up the rank.

Don't misrepresent what I'm saying. I was comparing the act of remembering the dead not acts of war.

So what should we do?   Tell that auld codger and his buddies that they can't have a service next Sunday?

Should the state refuse the invitation extended to the President?

Picket St Patrick's Cathedral during the service and tell them that the Brits still have a hold on their mindset?

/Jim.

[Zapatista]

There is very little difference in todays standard for war than the standard at the start of the last century. The only difference now is an Irishmans position in the global society. Rather than be at the bottom of the pecking order we are a little futher up the rank.

Don't misrepresent what I'm saying. I was comparing the act of remembering the dead not acts of war.

So what should we do?   Tell that auld codger and his buddies that they can't have a service next Sunday?

Should the state refuse the invitation extended to the President?

Picket St Patrick's Cathedral during the service and tell them that the Brits still have a hold on their mindset?

/Jim.

Have you nothing left to add to the discussion?

[Jim_Murphy_74]

Have you nothing left to add to the discussion?

Maybe..........rather than going around the circles I'll ask you to explain how "The fact that it is a hot topic of discussion is a sign of how the Brits still have a hold on the mindset of Irish people."?

/Jim.

[Zapatista]

Have you nothing left to add to the discussion?

Maybe..........rather than going around the circles I'll ask you to explain how "The fact that it is a hot topic of discussion is a sign of how the Brits still have a hold on the mindset of Irish people."?

/Jim.

The fact that the poppy issue comes up every year and raises emotion in the Irish is an example.
To put it as priority topic of discussion on the main political show on Irish TV is proof.
The Irish people have no business honouring the dead of British wars and the war itself. Many of the Irish people that died should be remembered as victims of British wars. Many of them were mercanaries forced to join the war due to lies and corruption of political leaders in Ireland and Britan. None were heros. Individual acts of heroism were carried out i'm sure but the fallen Irish were victims not heros. Others joined the war due to misrepresentation of the cause. History should reflect on these leaders for what they were. Remembering the dead and the war should reflect what the war was.

We are surrounded by Brits who are trying to guilt us into a false memory of the truth. We are falling for it hook line and sinker.

They can skick their poppy up their arse.

[ballinaman]

Sickens me that every person that appears on English TV is obliged to wear the poppy. Like what was Henrik Larsson doing wearing one on sky sports the last night, like i doubt he gives two shites. Spare a thought for wee John and Edward having to wear them as well...although, they sound like they hail from the Kingstown area of Dublin so i wouldn't be too sure if they are forced to wear them.

Also, correct me if i;m wrong, doesn't opium which is used for heroin comes from the poppy flower???