Paddy O'Rourke named as new Armagh Manager

[thegael]

Who is Kerry's conditioning coach?

Have any of you any sense at all ?

So what about a conditioning coach , it is this nonsense about bench pressing ( ego pressing) that really will get Armagh nowhere.
Yes in their single year of the last 125 years of the gaa they had a few guys who spent their time in a gym and the rest out of it reading the latest book from the us by a baseball or american football coach about team play!An absolute joke and this  nonsens of quotes and sayings of the great coach gurus is quite pathetic!
But hey that is Armagh the 1 year wonders! Now they are all so happy about a conditioning coach who if he was worth his salt at all would be somewhere else and not Armagh !

Find this out is this a  a myth or just damn good public relations?
In this new world of conditioning coaches etc would Armagh be seen as a prestigious post , something akin to the all blacks or the lions?
Or maybe the chance to work with really talented backroom staff that would be real good cv stuff!

[ardmhachaabu]

Calling for POR to be waterboy is just plain disrespectful.  He's the Armagh manager and he has put together a formidable backroom team.

Let's see what he does with the squad and judge him from that

[BallyhaiseMan]

Who is Kerry's conditioning coach?

Have any of you any sense at all ?

So what about a conditioning coach , it is this nonsense about bench pressing ( ego pressing) that really will get Armagh nowhere.
Yes in their single year of the last 125 years of the gaa they had a few guys who spent their time in a gym and the rest out of it reading the latest book from the us by a baseball or american football coach about team play!An absolute joke and this  nonsens of quotes and sayings of the great coach gurus is quite pathetic!
But hey that is Armagh the 1 year wonders! Now they are all so happy about a conditioning coach who if he was worth his salt at all would be somewhere else and not Armagh !

Find this out is this a  a myth or just damn good public relations?
In this new world of conditioning coaches etc would Armagh be seen as a prestigious post , something akin to the all blacks or the lions?
Or maybe the chance to work with really talented backroom staff that would be real good cv stuff!

You dont have a notion do you lad???
Mike McGurn is a top class strength and conditioning coach who has worked with the IRFU and the Ospreys in Wales
A Conditioning coach these days with the amount of games   is a crucial component in a management team in getting teams peaking at the correct time during the summer,recovery etc
A good one is worth its weight in gold.
Armagh have gotten a great one in McGurn.

[INDIANA]

A recap:

Armagh have got Mc Gurn- arguably in the top 5 strength and conditioning coaches in the world. The All Blacks were prepared to move him out to NZ 2 years ago to look after their senior team.

Donal Murtagh- a man with a hell of a good CV in Aramgh in club football

Justin Mc nulty- an up and coming coach who has trained club teams to win county championships.


Sounds a pretty good mix to me. Will the County Board be getting an apology from the Aramgh fans here?

[Carbery]

A recap:

Armagh have got Mc Gurn- arguably in the top 5 strength and conditioning coaches in the world. The All Blacks were prepared to move him out to NZ 2 years ago to look after their senior team.

Donal Murtagh- a man with a hell of a good CV in Aramgh in club football

Justin Mc nulty- an up and coming coach who has trained club teams to win county championships.


Sounds a pretty good mix to me. Will the County Board be getting an apology from the Aramgh fans here?

I note you have omitted Paddy O'Rourke from your synopsis.

[INDIANA]

A recap:

Armagh have got Mc Gurn- arguably in the top 5 strength and conditioning coaches in the world. The All Blacks were prepared to move him out to NZ 2 years ago to look after their senior team.

Donal Murtagh- a man with a hell of a good CV in Aramgh in club football

Justin Mc nulty- an up and coming coach who has trained club teams to win county championships.


Sounds a pretty good mix to me. Will the County Board be getting an apology from the Aramgh fans here?

I note you have omitted Paddy O'Rourke from your synopsis.

Can draw an analogy if you like. Peter De Villiers the South African rugby coach is regarded as absolutely useless - yet he has assembled a world class team with the likes of Dick Kruger and Percy montgomery around him. They haven't doen badly have they? -even though every South african rugby fan wants De Villiers out? Any short-comings O Rourke has could be easily papered over with that quality beside him.

You've nothing to complain about mate. there are professional teams who wouldn't have a management team as strong as that. We're pretty envious!

[DuffleKing]

The first point is that the county board appointed a poor manager - from down - without any backroom team.
They deserved nothing but a collective boot in the hole at the time.

realising that they had created an absolute mess (they argue they had no other option at the time) they set about put as good a coaching team around him as possible to soften the blow. they have now succeeded in this.

McGurn is a great appointment but the county board deserve no credit for that one. Grimley head hunted McGurn months back, sold him the all encompassing role and got a couple of big backers to finance it. After grimley left the scene the backers insisted that the McGurn appointment stay on the table irrespective of who got the job because it was such a good idea.

The best management team would have been Murtagh as manager, mcnulty and marsden (attacking ideas) as coaches and McGurn taking care of conditioning. If they'd left the waterboy out of it they could have avoided the row and appointed the best possible coaching team available to us.

[Goats Do Shave]

The only thing i'd add is... Grimley turned his back on his own county!

EDIT... Maybe I should have put it better  - He didn't want the job!

[TacadoirArdMhacha]

The first point is that the county board appointed a poor manager - from down - without any backroom team.
They deserved nothing but a collective boot in the hole at the time.

realising that they had created an absolute mess (they argue they had no other option at the time) they set about put as good a coaching team around him as possible to soften the blow. they have now succeeded in this.

McGurn is a great appointment but the county board deserve no credit for that one. Grimley head hunted McGurn months back, sold him the all encompassing role and got a couple of big backers to finance it. After grimley left the scene the backers insisted that the McGurn appointment stay on the table irrespective of who got the job because it was such a good idea.

The best management team would have been Murtagh as manager, mcnulty and marsden (attacking ideas) as coaches and McGurn taking care of conditioning. If they'd left the waterboy out of it they could have avoided the row and appointed the best possible coaching team available to us.

That would have been perfect right enough. I'm now a lot more positive about the year ahead but I stand by the comments I made about what a crazy decision it was to appoint Paddy O'Rourke on his own in preference to the two men who are now "assisting" him.

Murtagh, hmmmmm. It must only be in cross where they produce great managers. Is it not more like great players whom men who have managed. I am not convinced at all with Murtagh. Seriously with the players that are available to Cross, should we be surprised at them doing as well as they do or did do, not just great players, but leaders of players, ie Mc Entees, Bellew. I would have liked to have seen Murtagh win a c'ship with another club team to really test him. I thought his descision making in the game last year against Crokes was shocking, easy to make decesion when 99% of the time the players are doing what they hve done under so many other managers, win.

To be fair to Murtagh, there was something of a lull in (relative) success for Cross between Big Joe stepping down and Murtagh taking over (one Ulster aside). Murtagh acheived 3 in a row Ulster titles, something even large Joseph didn't manage!

[TacadoirArdMhacha]

I know to be fair, but they also won an Ulster title without another Cross man as manager, c'nat recall his name, same players but yet another manager.

Packie McConville I think. Beaten by Portlaoise in the AI semi-final. Funny the way I can remember that but not who they beat in the Ulster final.     

[brokencrossbar1]

The difference that Donal made was that he took over a team that was truly in transition, a lot of the older lads had gone and there were just a few die hards still playing.  He moulded this team in with a number of excellent underage teams that were coming through and was key to keeping them together.  To go unbeaten in Ulster for 3 years is an amazing feat and it wasn't just down to the likes of the twins and Oisin.

[David McKeown]

I would agree that we now have a pretty good management team but for me that doesnt excuse the failings exhibited by the county board throughout the proceedings.  This isnt a case of the ends justifying the means.  I like the idea of POR as manager just to bring a fresh face that players would respect but not be overly familiar with but at the same time the cb's handling of the whole situation was for disgraceful.  To me it doesn't really matter how successful the team are next year, the CB could have conducted things much better.

[thewanderer]

Goats get your full facts and information correct before saying something which is slanderous. ps i will be talking to grimley at the weekend and he will be interested in your comments. don't be surprised if you get a visit from him as i  know your true identity.

[Goats Do Shave]

Goats get your full facts and information correct before saying something which is slanderous. ps i will be talking to grimley at the weekend and he will be interested in your comments. don't be surprised if you get a visit from him as i  know your true identity.

Eh? Paul Grimley isn't in charge! End of!

[Santino]

Calling for POR to be waterboy is just plain disrespectful.  He's the Armagh manager and he has put together a formidable backroom team.

Let's see what he does with the squad and judge him from that

+1

Save that abuse for this time next year Duffleking, if its warranted.