Peter McKenna

[ballinaman]

YOU directly attributed blame for the mans death to poor crowd control.
YOU were the one that introduced it into the discussion.
I don't care what your motivation was, it's entirely inappropriate in my opinion.

I second that.

[Minder]

Plan B again today

[Jinxy]

Great scenes after the game today.
That's what the GAA is all about.

[SLIGONIAN]

Great scenes after the game today.
That's what the GAA is all about.

Exactly, I even seen an old granny flying fit on the pitch waving her flag, wonder was it Buds . Great to see.

[Bud Wiser]

I didn't see it at all, got a frigging phone call to go out but just caught the very end of RTE signing off and from what I could see it was ok.  There is a big difference though when it is AIF day and say the Dubs were to win and you don't want to go on the field and you are trying to make your way up steps while there are hundreds coming down on top of you. I don't think anyone including the heads of Croke Park are worried about yesterdays events.

Sligonian, did you have Daddy with you again, " I was with Daddy and daddy told me" "Me and daddy"  "I said to daddy that"  .......

[Billys Boots]

YOU directly attributed blame for the mans death to poor crowd control.
YOU were the one that introduced it into the discussion.
I don't care what your motivation was, it's entirely inappropriate in my opinion.

I second that.

I don't see what was wrong - Bud used an example to illustrate a problem.  It's more than unfortunate what happened the guy, and tragic that it should happen at what was supposed to be a happy occasion for him and his family.  But that's the point, isn't it?  With the best will in the world, not actively managing large crowds is a recipe for disaster, no matter how much we dislike it. 

[SLIGONIAN]

I didn't see it at all, got a frigging phone call to go out but just caught the very end of RTE signing off and from what I could see it was ok.  There is a big difference though when it is AIF day and say the Dubs were to win and you don't want to go on the field and you are trying to make your way up steps while there are hundreds coming down on top of you. I don't think anyone including the heads of Croke Park are worried about yesterdays events.

Sligonian, did you have Daddy with you again, " I was with Daddy and daddy told me" "Me and daddy"  "I said to daddy that"  .......

Dont get the above...wasnt at the game, im in Doha..explain the relevance to it here...I seen the game on the net...

[orangeman]

I see the GAA have announced that they won't resist a pitch invasion next Sunday.

[Jinxy]

YOU directly attributed blame for the mans death to poor crowd control.
YOU were the one that introduced it into the discussion.
I don't care what your motivation was, it's entirely inappropriate in my opinion.

I second that.

I don't see what was wrong - Bud used an example to illustrate a problem.  It's more than unfortunate what happened the guy, and tragic that it should happen at what was supposed to be a happy occasion for him and his family.  But that's the point, isn't it?  With the best will in the world, not actively managing large crowds is a recipe for disaster, no matter how much we dislike it.

So the man died because of poor crowd control?
Where are ye getting this info from?

[Billys Boots]

I don't understand the point you're making - do you have knowledge I'm not privy to?  I was talking about the point Bud was making.

[Jinxy]

You are supporting Buds claim that a man died because of poor crowd control.
There is absolutely no basis for saying that unless he has access to information the rest of us don't.
Either way, he shouldn't have introduced it into the discussion.
Bear in mind this was in a small village in Kilkenny and crowd control was probably handled by the local club.

[Billys Boots]

I see (and have always seen) the point you're making.  I'm trying to point out that Bud has a point that people here are not acknowledging.  I don't know the circumstances of the death in question, and I am not trying to make a point at the expense of the unfortunate man, his family and his club.  It's worrying to me that, if (for instance a small) club is celebrating success, without appropriate risk management in relation to crowd control (which I think we all agree would be the norm), then accidents can (and will, sometimes) happen.

The broader point is that the greater the numbers in a confined space, the greater the risk.  Is it not McKenna's job to do everything in his power to try to ensure people's safety, as opposed to allow a lot of excited people the latitude to run amok (with little apparent attention to the safety of those surrounding them)?  I'm not having a go at anyone, but I don't buy the tradition thing.

[theskull1]

Political correctness/H&S Awareness gone mad there Billy.

In every walk of life risk has to be managed. Croke park could go a long way to making pitch invasions safer than they are. It is part of the outpouring of joy on the big occassions and would seriously strip away that local attachment to the competing sides IMO. It's my job to keep myself safe and if I've kids with me it's my job to look after them as well. This whole notion that you remove something like this is crazy.

Wouldn't the stats confirm that playing hurling is many times more dangerous that any pitch invasion? Sure lets get rid of it and the world will be so much safer place for all the boys and girls to "exist" in?

[stephenite]

I see (and have always seen) the point you're making.  I'm trying to point out that Bud has a point that people here are not acknowledging.  I don't know the circumstances of the death in question, and I am not trying to make a point at the expense of the unfortunate man, his family and his club.  It's worrying to me that, if (for instance a small) club is celebrating success, without appropriate risk management in relation to crowd control (which I think we all agree would be the norm), then accidents can (and will, sometimes) happen.

The broader point is that the greater the numbers in a confined space, the greater the risk.  Is it not McKenna's job to do everything in his power to try to ensure people's safety, as opposed to allow a lot of excited people the latitude to run amok (with little apparent attention to the safety of those surrounding them)?  I'm not having a go at anyone, but I don't buy the tradition thing.

Is it equally as possible that the poor man slipped on some wet paper rubbish that was lying about as opposed to poor crowd control?

[Billys Boots]

I'm not trying to put a damper on anything - it's just very easy for us to criticise McKenna, as: (a) we don't have his responsibilities in the event of an accident, and (b) an awful accident hasn't happened to us or our loved ones.